"Thuglicans" and the Tea "Federation Party"

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!Oh Buz - If I didn't know that you were not doing a Poe I would swear that you were.Classic.Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

And there was also this map after Bush got reelected:

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The question wasn't whether they say false things (though they do); the question was whether they promulgate hate.

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''I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore, and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. ... No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out. Is this wrong?''
Glenn Beck, responding to the question 'What would people do for $50 million?', 'The Glenn Beck Program,' May 17, 2005

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Let's get specific. Do you think that Glenn Beck doesn't actually hate Michael Moore? Again the question is not whether you think such hate would be justifiable, but whether it exists. When Glenn Beck volunteers that he would murder Michael Moore for money, do you think that indicates hatred? Or do you think he's just joshin' an old friend of his, or something? As a matter of fact, Buz, I listened to both Rush and Beck for a period of several continuous years, each. Daily. So I have ample personal knowledge that these statements, far from being out of context, are actually accurate representations of the material promulgated by these entertainers.

Ok I retract the comment about 9/11 families, that one does seem to be taken out of context. As for the rest? Sorry, nope. I fail to see how any of the others fail to be true representations of these hateful patriots' positions.As for patriotism, it is an evil of its own sort. Here are some of my favourite quotes in that vein:"Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it." - George Bernard Shaw"The love of one's country is a splendid thing, but why should love stop at the border?" - Pablo Casals"Heroism on command, senseless violence, and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism - how passionately I hate them!" - Albert Einstein"Patriotism varies, from a noble devotion to a moral lunacy." - W.R. Inge"Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles." - George Jean Nathan.... Anyway, you asked for examples of hate speech from these two dimwits and I provided them. I'm sorry that you think they are somehow misleading.It is unfair that you somehow conclude that all I know about these two is from mine quoted stuff from critics - you are leaping to a conclusion with absolutely no foundation. I listened to Limbaugh practically every day in the early 90's, and EVEN THEN when I was admittedly intellectually underdeveloped, even then I remember thinking "Whoa, Rush! How did you get from point A and point B to conclusion C?? Madness!"As for Glenn Beck, I've watched as much of his programming as I can stomach. He's more of an idiot than anything, which is a sad comment on American viewers given his ratings. He is literally seen as a laughing stock on this side of the pond, which, I know, you could care less about. USA! USA!

Hah, thanks for the maps RAZD.I favour the first one where Texas is a republic, separate from the southern states. At least then I could hold out hope that my family, all of whom remain there now, might be saved from the good 'ol boy mentality.

"They say that patriotism is the last refuge
To which a scoundrel clings.
Steal a little and they throw you in jail,
Steal a lot and they make you king." - R.Allen.Z.Dylan

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- xongsmith, 5.7d

Hi Briterican, (and Vermont - or should that be the northeast kingdom? (in joke))That would be the "europization" of america ...(next we'll have some conspriacy nut talking about the "new world order" ...Enjoy

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need to flip the map....I live in NC and its too damn cold in Canada for me...lol...your too far north when you can drive on a lake during winter...anyway I want to keep AK as I haven't been yet. And if we leave it in their hands it will turn into a toxic nightmare!!

Hi frearandloathing, I've lived in both, plus messysippee (you can have messysippee, one of the few places I've lived that I did not like) Give it to the Canadians then. Global warming. Caused by burning cottonfields ...Enjoy.

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That anywhere near Missisloppy? Been there, had to endure that. And that was in the good part. When we left Biloxi, we departed about an hour after sun-up and we were in Marion, Ill, before sun-down. Not that we were in any particular hurry. While we were there, my wife developed an allergy to the state.

From my "signature": Moose

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Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U
Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment.

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"Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham

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"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in moral philosophy; that is, the search for a superior moral justification for selfishness." - John Kenneth Galbraith

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"Yesterday on Fox News, commentator Glenn Beck said that he believes President Obama is a racist. To be fair, every time you watch Glenn Beck, it does get a little easier to hate white people." - Conan O'Brien

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"I know a little about a lot of things, and a lot about a few things, but I'm highly ignorant about everything." - Moose

One thing that gets me is that Obama is referred to as black, whereas he is white, he has more white blood than my children do.
My children are half Asian, a small part Native American and ~49% white. Yet they, for some reason are called white.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008

That's the "One drop of blood" theory at work. Historically, blacks were often considered sub-human, and there's a residue of that history in American attitudes. Asians were usually treated as human, though they were subject to discrimination in past times.

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Jesus was a liberal hippie

Apparently, they even use scripted actors to call into their shows.

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Well, looky here! From the Columbia Journalism Review:

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Well, here’s a shocker: Some of the people who phone in to talk radio shows (that caller with the pitch-perfect rant, provocative comment or burning question) may actually be hired actors reading from scripts. I’m not an angry listener, but I play one on radio!

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If [the actor] passed the audition, he would be invited periodically to call in to various talk shows and recite various scenarios that made for interesting radio. He would never be identified as an actor, and his scenarios would never be identified as fabricatedwhich they always were.

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I was surprised that it seemed so open, the actor told me in an interview. There was really no pretense of covering it up.

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Curious, the actor did some snooping and learned that Premiere On Call was a service offered by Premiere Radio Networks, the largest syndication company in the United States and a subsidiary of Clear Channel Communications, the entertainment and advertising giant. Premiere syndicates some of the more sterling names in radio, including Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Sean Hannity. But a great radio show depends as much on great callers as it does on great hosts: Enter Premiere On Call.

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Premiere On Call is our new custom caller service, read the service’s website, which disappeared as this story was being reported (for a cached version of the site click here). We supply voice talent to take/make your on-air calls, improvise your scenes or deliver your scripts. Using our simple online booking tool, specify the kind of voice you need, and we’ll get your the right person fast. Unless you request it, you won’t hear that same voice again for at least two months, ensuring the authenticity of your programming for avid listeners.

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Such honest people, these stalwart defenders of RAR!DEMOCRACY that Buz trusts so much.Maybe we should look at Politifact, a non-partisan (that's right, non-partisan, they aren't just mouthpieces for a specific party like Fox Noise, they point out when Democrats lie just as eagerly) fact-checking group? Here's Glenn's profile there.Glenn Beck is not a journalist. He does not deal in fact or truth. He is an entertainer. He started out as a morning DJ on a rock radio station. I even listened to him over a decade ago as part of the Glenn and Pat program on KC101 based out of Hamden, CT. The world would have been a better place had he stuck to making unfunny prank calls on morning radio instead of crying on TV while telling lies to people who won't bother to fact check himBeck does not care about the truth, and never has. He cares about what will get him ratings, like any effective entertainer...except that his method of drawing in audiences is to get them riled up and pissed off by feeding them lies and falsehoods.

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"Mitt Romney ... gave you government health care that is now bankrupting the state" of Massachusetts.

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False.

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Forty-five percent of doctors "say they'll quit" if health care reform passes.

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False.

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John Holdren, director of the White House Office of Science and Technology Policy, "has proposed forcing abortions and putting sterilants in the drinking water to control population."

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Stop lying, you liar.

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"Why do we have automatic citizenship upon birth? We're the only country in the world that has it."

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Why do you keep lying? Anyone with Google can tell you're lying!

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"In the health care bill, we're now offering insurance for dogs."

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Why does anyone believe you, liar?! If this lying asshole liar told me what time it was, I'd have to check three different clocks to make sure he wasn't lying, because he's a bald-faced fucking liar.

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Less than 10 percent of Obama's Cabinet appointees "have any experience in the private sector."

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Do you get some perverted pleasure out of making a bunch of dog-whistle racists, Islamophobes, and political soccer hooligans* believe your lies, liar?I'm replying to you, and not to Buz, because Buz won't care. I can dredge up as many outright lies and proven false statements from Beck or Hannity or Limbaugh or O'Liely - er, O'Reilly or any of their buddies as I want, and there is no weight of fact that will convince Buz to stop trusting these known liars, these charlatans, these rabble-rousing con-men.It's all a conspiracy of the "Left," you see. The "Left" wants to force abortions on us, and take away our guns and Bibles and make us all atheists before they let those Muslims walk on over and either blow us all up or force us to convert to Islam. And then blow us up, after more forced abortions. Also, the "Left" kicks puppies for fun. They want to kill your grandma, because "end-of-life counseling" isn't really about helping people deal with the fact that they aren't immortal and when you get old and/or sick, you might want to know what to expect from the medical treatments available so that you can make an educated decision about your future. No, it's really a code word for a DEATH PANEL, where a secret council of (probably hooded and cloaked) evil "Leftists" (who are probably also Communists and Nazi Fascists, even though the Nazis and Commies hated each other, the "Left" is filled with people who are both) who will decide that it's not cost effective to keep grandma alive, so let's go ahead and stab her in the face with a knife so we don;t have to pay any more. Their headquarters totally looks like this: The only one arguing to save granny is Bizarro, but he always speaks in opposites anyway.But Beck and Limbaugh and Hannity and O'Reilly, they're the core members of the Superfriends, fighting for "truth," "justice," and the (ultra-right-wing) American Way!*"Political soccer hooligans" is a term I use to describe most Americans who follow politics. They don't think about whether a given position is ethically supportable or good for the country. They just know that everything their team says is right and true, and everything the other team says is a bunch of filthy lies. Never mind facts or numbers or projections or surveys, if the other team said it it has to be wrong!ABE: As a side note, I don't particularly like Obama. He took a massive public mandate as well as Democrat control of the House AND Senate, and squandered the opportunity. A large part of the problem is that the Dems have never been as unified as the Repubs seem to be (ie, the "Blue Dogs"), but even so he's been little more than a massive disappointment for me. I'd gladly vote for another candidate; I don't consider myself partisan, the Democrats don't effectively represent me very much better than the Republicans (they just tend to get my votes because a little better is still better, even if I'd gladly jump to a viable third party that fits me better). Unfortunately, it looks like what we're going to get is just more right-wingers from the Republicans trying to destroy the middle class and stop any form of social justice, and of course the Democrats will just have Obama again. Guess I'll be eating a turd sandwich in 2012, because I just can't stand that giant douche.Edited by Rahvin, : No reason given.

Yes, stupidity at its best.

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There is no better love between 2 people than mutual respect for each other WT Young, 2002

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Who gave anyone the authority to call me an authority on anything. WT Young, 1969

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Since Evolution is only ~90% correct it should be thrown out and replaced by Creation which has even a lower % of correctness. W T Young, 2008