If our sun is second or third generation, does this not conflict with Genesis ?

What Jon isquestioning is the fable being a creation fable as opposed to an organization fable. The initial image in Genesis 1 is of Chaos, a chaos system that exists but that the God character brings into order. It is not so much an act of creating land as of separating it from the water.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

It isn't.Genesis 1 is a much later story than the rest of Genesis but the emphasis was not on the creation narrative, rather the narrative was simply a plot device to discuss in poetic language the relationships between man and God and God and creation as seen by the people of that time and culture, likely between 640-610 BCE.The main purposes were to establish the Sabbath and to show what the people then saw as the relationship and overarching nature of their God.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Sure about that?Maybe the size of Jupiter or a little larger?I didn't think something with the mass of Earth or less would be capable of becoming a star?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

What stars the size of Sol and smaller?I did not think such a critter was possible?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

That's what I thought; not necessarily several times larger but at least more massive.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Well, actually there is evidence that the first days were the same as the latter days; exactly the same phraseology is used between each day.

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5And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day.

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8And God called the firmament Heaven. And the evening and the morning were the second day.

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13And the evening and the morning were the third day.

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19And the evening and the morning were the fourth day.

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23And the evening and the morning were the fifth day.

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31And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

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To pretend they are anything other than 24 hour days is to add to the story, the hubris of rewriting the Bible.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Why is "no existing area in which to have happened" an issue?Why is "no known before the event" an issue?Why is "no existing time in which to have happened" an issue?Why is "no existing outside of in which to have expanded" an issue?

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

That would depend on which chapters of Genesis you were talking about. The story in Genesis 1 would almost certainly have been written in Hebrew and certainly don't go 'back to Adam' as it was most likely created around the middle of the 600s BCE.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

It's very unlikely that Genesis 1 is an oral tradition tale. It's pretty clearly crafted as a later, much later, teaching.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

The period in the second half of 600BCE in Judah under King Josiah was one of great reform and a major revision of the descriptions of the Jewish God specifically to purge other gods and establish a distinctly different "Hebrew God". It was when Genesis 1 and Deuteronomy were written and leading to the still later writing of Leviticus that sets out the ritual and holiness codes.It's a revision of YHWH from the older mighty human character to an overarching supreme, aloof and somewhat distant character.Both of these were new constructs, a new defining of God, the Priesthood and man and a redefining of the relationships between each.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

We are not analyzing the oral tradition; we are analyzing the WRITTEN work, and Genesis 1 as well as Deuteronomy and Leviticus were written thousands of years after any oral tradition. They are post-exile writings created during the reformation in Judah in the second half of the 6th Century BCE and the first half of the 5th Century BCE.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Yes, I understand that is what you are claiming.However the Genesis 1 story as well as Deuteronomy and Leviticus are relatively modern creations designed to establish a unique Hebrew theology.There was no Biblical Flood. Never happened.There was no Tower of Babel as described in the story. Never happened.Genesis 1, Deuteronomy and Leviticus were written during the purge of other religions and gods and the reformation initiated under King Josiah of Judah. The whole goal of that reformation was to create a new and unique Hebrew people that was different from what they had experienced either during the exile or during the preceding years post exile.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

And we can test for their existence.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

By examining both the documents themselves as well as actual history.

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Anyone so limited that they can only spell a word one way is severely handicapped!

Of course there are proofs that the Biblical flood never happened and I have presented them here many times.In fact the Bible proves that the Biblical flood never happened.I will present it yet again in the hope that you will never again post anything as silly as an assertion that the Biblical flood ever happened.

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In the version of the myth found in Genesis 6 God instructs Noah to:

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19 You are to bring into the ark two of all living creatures, male and female, to keep them alive with you. 20 Two of every kind of bird, of every kind of animal and of every kind of creature that moves along the ground will come to you to be kept alive. 21 You are to take every kind of food that is to be eaten and store it away as food for you and for them."

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In the version of the myth found in Genesis 7 we see similar (close but not the same) instructions:

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2 Take with you seven of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the earth.

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We also find similar explanations of what will be destroyed in Genesis 6 it says:

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7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face of the earthmen and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and birds of the airfor I am grieved that I have made them."

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and in Genesis 7:

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4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living creature I have made."

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In both myths lots of critters get killed, in the myth found in Genesis 6 it seems to be talking about land animals and birds while the myth found in Genesis 7 goes even further and wipes out all living things.

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If we play mix and match and take the best scenario from each of the myths we might be able to claim that only the birds and land animals were wiped out based on the passage from the Genesis 6 story and that we have the larger saved population found in Genesis 7.

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Based on that mix and match game set we have a situation where all land animals and birds found today will be descended from a population that consisted of at most fourteen critters (seven pairs of clean animals and birds) and at worst case four critters (two pair of unclean animals).

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Now that is what I would call a real bottleneck.

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We know we can see bottlenecks in the genetic record; a great example is the one in Cheetahs but we even see them in the human genome and most other species.

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BUT...

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If the flood actually happened we would see a bottleneck in EVERY species of animal living on the land and EVERY bird and EVERY one of the bottlenecks show up in the SAME historical time period.

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Talk about a big RED flag.

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That bottleneck signature would be something every geneticists in the world would see. It would be like a neon sign, Broadway at midnight on New Years Eve. It would be something even a blind geneticist could see.

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So it seems to me to be a very simple test that will support or refute the Flood.

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If that genetic marker is there in EVERY species living on land or bird of the air, then there is support for the flood. It does not prove the flood happened but it would be very strong support.

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If on the other hand that genetic marker is NOT there, then the Flood is refuted.

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And there is no genetic bottleneck signature common to all animals pointing to the same event; thus the Biblical flood has been totally and completely refuted.It really is that simple.