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Author Topic:   Where do Creationists think the Theory of Evolution comes from?
jar
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Message 17 of 109 (260222)
11-16-2005 12:06 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by Philip
11-16-2005 11:29 AM


Re: ToE Etiologies...
Now, back to the topic of malicious ToE Etiologies ... the NAS itself:
Here's a front page lie: "...scientists universally accept that the cosmos, our planet, and life evolved ... (thus) creationism has no place in any science curriculum at any level."
That is a simple statement of FACT. Creationism cannot be science.
Where is your problem?

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jar
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Message 82 of 109 (266048)
12-06-2005 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 81 by bibbo
12-06-2005 11:09 AM


a classic example of spouting nonsense.
The site you linked to is but one of many such sites that attempt to place a veneer of reason on something totally devoid of same, sites that imply that there was a world-wide flood within recent (the last 600,000 years or so) times. One is example is found in the fourth paragraph.
The Flood catastrophe of Noah's time was easily the most severe. At this time, our planet was caught within counter-dominating gravitational forces and magnetic fields, resulting in (1) much tidal upheaval within our oceans; (2) surging spasms or tides of lava (fluid magma) from within the Earth's thin crust; and (3) further discharges of an electrical nature.
At one, possibly two, of the assertions would have left easily discovered evidence, and the third is simply a nonsense statement.
Let's look at them.
(1) much tidal upheaval within our oceans;
That's just a nonsense statement. What quantity is "much"? What does tidal upheaval mean? Within our oceans? It just babble.
(2) surging spasms or tides of lava (fluid magma) from within the Earth's thin crust;
Again, mainly just nonsense phrases strung together, such as spasms or tides of lava. But if this were true, then we should be able to find a whole series of lava beds, located all over the world, all dating to about 4000 years ago. So to support this assertion, all a Classical Creationist would need to do is provaide the locations of all or a large number of such lava flows, all having been laid down within a one year period.
(3) further discharges of an electrical nature.
This too is simply a nonsense phrase. What does "discharges of an electrical nature" mean?
While Classic Biblical Creationists may well believe such stuff, it cannot be supported by any evidence yet provided.
When a link to a source begins with what should be obvious nonsense statements as a basic premise, how can anyone even consider anything that follows as worth of consideration?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 84 of 109 (266437)
12-07-2005 2:21 PM
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12-07-2005 12:30 PM


Re: a classic example of spouting nonsense.
I have absolutely no idea of what it is you're asking.
What are your thought on their views on the origins of evolution in relation to uniformitarian catastrophism?
Who's views?
What origins of evolution?
What does that have to do with "uniformitarian catastrophism" and what exactly does that me?

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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jar
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Message 86 of 109 (268215)
12-12-2005 2:06 PM
Reply to: Message 85 by bibbo
12-12-2005 1:46 PM


Re: a classic example of spouting nonsense.
Well, that book is such a collection of absolutely nonsensical babble that it's really hard to make any statements at all.
consider,
At this time, our planet was caught within counter-dominating gravitational forces and magnetic fields, resulting in (1) much tidal upheaval within our oceans; (2) surging spasms or tides of lava (fluid magma) from within the Earth's thin crust; and (3) further discharges of an electrical nature.
What a collection of absolute nonsense, sheer babble and unsupported assertion.
In addition,
However, it is important to realize that while uniformitarians acknowledge catastrophes on a local scale, mechanical explanations have been almost completely lacking.
is simply a lie. The whole function of geology is just that, explaining what happened in a given instance. It also has nothing whatsoever to do with the TOE.
Further, the reference you linked to shows clearly a misrepresentation of what uniformitarians say. The uniform stance is that the processes we se now are the same processes that have happened in the past. It says nothing out rates of change or their scale.

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