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Author Topic:   Correlation between Anti-Gun v Anti Death Penalty Views
vimesey
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Message 10 of 113 (733735)
07-20-2014 6:27 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by mram10
07-20-2014 12:33 PM


Logically, wouldn't we want to rid society of those committing major crimes, rather than blame the items used?
There is no binary choice between a desire to remove criminals from society, and blaming guns for anything. You are setting up a false dichotomy.
I am more than happy to remove criminals from society through imprisonment, as Tangle has pointed out. I believe it's part of a humane and enlightened society to do so, in preference to killing criminals, and has the happy bonus that if the system fucks up and convicts an innocent guy, we can have a go at fixing things.
I am equally happy to be of the view that widespread gun ownership in a society results in more violent deaths than it prevents, so I believe that to be a poor choice too, along with capital punishment.
The two views are not incompatible, as you suggest. Logic, your opening word, is not at home in that sentence.
Are the guns to blame, thus the need to dispose of them, while giving leave to the criminals because of the effect weapon have on them?
Not sure where you're going with this one, but guns are never to blame for any crime - the criminal is, or else there is an abdication of responsibility. Widespread gun ownership, however, makes the opportunities for violent killing much greater, and the incidence of accidental deaths greater too, for a corresponding benefit to society which is much smaller. So I would rather live in a society which does not allow their widespread ownership - on balance, my children and I are safer.
As for the effect weapons have on criminals, are you suggesting that widespread gun ownership prevents violent crime because the criminals are too scared to commit it ? If so, how's that working for you in America ?
It seems (simple observation) that the majority of people that are against the Death Penalty are also Anti-Gun.
I would agree with your sentiment - my own opposition to the death penalty and to widespread gun ownership both have a great deal to do with my views on the sanctity of life. However, (a) you will find a lot of people who oppose one and not the other; and (b) I wouldn't capitalise "Death Penalty" and "Anti-Gun" - that's very simplistic, and the debate is much more nuanced.

Could there be any greater conceit, than for someone to believe that the universe has to be simple enough for them to be able to understand it ?

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