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That is ridiculous and unfair. I am arguing from the physical evidence and that is what the whole case has to rest on in the end. And I am not rejecting the "evidence" presented against me here, I am saying it's utterly irrelevant; nobody is addressing the point.However, since this whole discussion is a total mess with everyone refusing to try to follow the physical argument I have better places to take the argument than EvC. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

LOL No Faith, that is not true. You have been misrepresenting physical features.Prove what Faith?That the fossils exist?That the geology exists?That the fossils and geology are sorted in the order found in reality?That we have the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the fossils, the geology, the cores & the sorting which are the same processes that go on today over a very long period of time.That the processes exist and can be observed today?That EVERY method of dating, every technology of dating, every observation involved in dating support an Old Earth?Those are simply facts Faith. It is up to you to present evidence that refutes reality and the facts.AbE:Yes, you can always take your argument to the Christian Cult of Ignorance and your position might even be received without too much laughter.BUT you cannot take your argument to anywhere that recognizes reality and get it to fly.Edited by jar, : see AbE;

Prove the sedimentary layers beneath the sea floor for starters. You are lying about that.

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"Altitude is related to relief?" But what does relief have to do with this discussion?

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Variations in elevation seem to relate quite obviously to flatness. The larger the variation the less flat the region is.And since you tell us that a region with hills up to 790 feet high is extremely flat how can you describe Florida - where the highest hill is no more than 345 feet high - as anything less ?

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Nobody is discussing what I'm discussing, this whole thing is ridiculous. I don't know or care whose fault it is but we're all talking at cross purposes.

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It is quite obviously your fault and you should care about that. If you introduce your own idiosyncratic ideas into the discussion and refuse to explain them, then how can you expect anyone to know what you mean ? And that is taking your claims at face value.So, again, tell me. How can you regard a region with hills up to 790 feet high as extremely flat and how can this flatness possibly be a problem for geology ?And if you can’t explain what you mean you can hardly expect anyone else to know.

Once again you are simply lying Faith and showing your utter ignorance. There are oil and coal and sediment layers in ocean cores. And that is not what I say, that is reality. There are cores found on what today is land that shows in the distant past that spot was ocean. You have been show that evidence many, many times here at EvC.We can even see the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the sedimentary layers found in oceans. Many aeolian deposits end up on the bottom of the ocean and we do see that happening today as dust is carried by wind over the ocean and then deposited. We see it with runoff carrying sediment from the land and depositing it in the oceans.Come on Faith. These are things that are happening right now and have been happening for billions of years on the Earth.Faith once again, we have the fossils, we have the geology, we have the cores, we have the sorting and we have the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the fossils, the geology, the cores & the sorting.All you have are old stories written by ignorant humans and the fantasies of your cult.

You are rejecting the physical evidence that shows your biblical-based beliefs are wrong. You are substituting your own "physical evidence" that is clearly contradicted by reality.You are telling virtually every geologist and most other 'ologists in the world that they know nothing, and that they should accept your unevidenced assertions.

Sorry but the "evidence" that's been presented here is absurdly irrelevant to anything I've said, far from showing anything against it. What I've offered is a reasonable assessment of the PHYSICAL evidence, and nobody is addressing it AT ALL.It never seems to occur to you, though, that the Bible could be right. You have no ability to assess the facts, all you have is a knee jerk prejudice.

Bla bla bla. Do you never tire of delivering unsubstantiated recitals of the establishment position? Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

And you show yet more dishonesty and willful ignorance.What I actually posted was:

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Once again you are simply lying Faith and showing your utter ignorance. There are oil and coal and sediment layers in ocean cores. And that is not what I say, that is reality. There are cores found on what today is land that shows in the distant past that spot was ocean. You have been show that evidence many, many times here at EvC.

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We can even see the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the sedimentary layers found in oceans. Many aeolian deposits end up on the bottom of the ocean and we do see that happening today as dust is carried by wind over the ocean and then deposited. We see it with runoff carrying sediment from the land and depositing it in the oceans.

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Come on Faith. These are things that are happening right now and have been happening for billions of years on the Earth.

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Faith once again, we have the fossils, we have the geology, we have the cores, we have the sorting and we have the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the fossils, the geology, the cores & the sorting.

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All you have are old stories written by ignorant humans and the fantasies of your cult.

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I am not repeating some establishment position but pointing to established facts.We can observe the processes. We can observe the results.Once again, we have the fossils, we have the geology, we have the cores, we have the sorting and we have the model, method, mechanism, process & procedure that explains the fossils, the geology, the cores & the sorting.All you have are old stories written by ignorant humans and the fantasies of your cult.If you actually have anything why have you NEVER been able to actually present anything related to reality?

You've been told that 70% of the earth is under the oceans and you've been told that a very large proportion of sedimentary rock formation is in the ocean and you've been shown that the floor of the ocean is mostly flat.Why don"t you address these points.

Which has no relevance to my point. You mean jar's wild assertion he refuses to prove? I have? Where? I remember a picture of a part of the ocean floor which is clearly not as flat as the strata. I did. Why don't you pay attention?

Instead of complaining that people aren’t addressing what you are saying why don’t you explain what you mean ?For the third time Faith.What is your idea of extreme flatness that includes 790 foot high hills, and how does this flatness pose a problem for geology ?And why have I had to ask three times when you should have explained it at the start ? (There is, of course, an obvious answer but I am still being generous)

Okay, Faith. My understanding is that you think all of the layers in the Grand Canyon are 'straight and flat', correct?I Interpret this to mean that they are perfectly tabular and continuous with planar contacts above and below. Would that be correct?If so then you are completely wrong. Let's look at the evidence for the Tapeats Sandstone, the Shinumo Quartzite and the 'Great Unconformity'.First, here is what the USGS says about the thickness of the Tapeats Sandstone: Do you understand what this means? It means that the Tapeats was not deposited on some locations and is of highly variable thickness.And here is what the Wikipedia says about the unconformity and the Shinumo Quartzite: Again do you understand what this means?It means that these hills preceded and were the actual source of sand for the Tapeats and that the Tapeats was deposited gradually up the slopes of these hills. They were, in effect, islands.How does this comport with your description of the setting?I also found this shot of the Great Unconformity where Tapeats overlies the Vishnu schist. Does it really look 'straight and flat' to you?

This is a good question. I honestly can't say that I have any idea what Faith means by some of these statements.Maybe a picture or two would be good.

It has every relevance, that's why I bothered mentioning it. At least one reason you see large areas flat rock is because they're often formed under the oceans.

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Sedimentary Rocks

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Sedimentary rocks form when mud and sand are deposited in layers on the Earth’s surface. The layers are deposited in many environments including oceans, rivers and deserts. These layers of sand and mud are later buried. The weight of overlying layers compresses the mud and sand to form solid rock. Because sedimentary rocks begin to form at the Earth’s surface, they tell us about ancient landscapes.

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Basic Information About Sedimentary Rocks

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Sedimentary rocks are deposited in layers, usually underwater, with the oldest layers on the bottom and the youngest layers on the top.

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That took 30 seconds to findhttps://www.nature.nps.gov/...s/DETO/HTML/ET_Sedimentary.htm Don't you do any research at all, do you just sit there making things up? The ocean floor is very varied with all sorts of structures in it but with huge expanses of 'prairies' - ie flatness. Escpesvially where sediments are being laid down.This took me well over a minute:

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Each area of the seabed has typical features such as common soil composition, typical topography, salinity of water layers above it, marine life, magnetic direction of rocks, and sedimentation.

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Seabed topography is flat where sedimentation is heavy and covers the tectonic features. Sediments comes from various sources:

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Land erosion sediments, brought mainly by rivers
Underwater volcanic ash spreading, especially from hydrothermal vents
Microorganism activity
Sea currents eroding the seabed itself
Marine life: corals, fish, algae, crabs, marine plants and other biologically created sediment

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Seabed - Wikipedia