Are religions manmade and natural or supernaturally based?

NoNukesGoing against God's will in Gen 3 cause A & E all kinds of grief.Why did God ignore them ignoring his previous command to reproduce way back in Gen 1?Why such a violent reaction in gen 3 while ignoring their doing their will in Gen 1 to ignore God's first command?Why does God show a double standard of anger at them not screwing for him while getting really angry when they decided to go to school and learn things so as not to be as dumb as the bricks and blind as they were before eating of the tree of knowledge?Regards
DL

Yes. And yet even after having been informed of possible bad consequences, they disobeyed anyway. There is no way to read the result as suggesting Adam and Eve did not have free will. What is your point? As best as I can make sense out of your question, it does not seem to fit the story as described in the Bible. God did not get angry at Adam and Eve for not screwing for him. If you believe God did that, please point to a citation.God was angry at Adam and Eve for their disobedience. I don't see a double standard of any kind.Perhaps you should be more clear about your position.

Nope, not me. I don't make a choice of whether to believe or not. I am convinced about some things; about others I'm not. I don't choose to believe anything. No choice involved.To me it seems as if you think that everyone on earth thinks like you. Not everyone else does.

Then your point fails miserably. We have plenty of empirical, verifiable evidence that Gaul once formed part of the Roman Empire. You like your Gish Gallops, don't you?

This post from Raphael was such a mess, a typical Gish Gallop. No, not actually. From some Christian scriptures, I get that Jesus allegedly said (decades after the alleged event was supposed to have happened), that he didn't know when the world would end. He allegedly said that he didn't know, only his father knew. So, no, I don't think that that Jesus fitted into a category of what I would think any God is like.

You do like the Gish Gallop, don't you? Gathering hard evidence before being able to arrive at a reliable explanation is not an assumption. It's a conclusion. It works. Very well. On all aspects of life.

NoNukesApologies for trying to be too brief.------------
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Did A & E reproduce in Gen 1 as God commanded them to do?They did not. --- Why did God not get angry at that disobedience but throw a fit in Gen 3 when they disobeyed his second command?Is that not a double standard?------
.You said, "after having been informed of possible bad consequences,".How many consequences and benefits were they warned about and who actually did the informing?I see the serpent as actually mentioning more consequences and benefits than God.If you confirm this as fact, then do you think it moral for God to arbitrarily add more consequences after the fact of them eating of the tree of knowledge, --- that A & E did not even know of and had not heard of from either God or the serpent?Regards
DL Edited by Greatest I am, : No reason given.

Perhaps because Adam and Eve did not disobey any such commandment. If Adam and Eve had no children at the time, who says that was from lack of trying. Just how much time passed between the direction to be fruitful and multiply and the serpent incident? You have not shown that to be the case. You are making up stuff that simply is not detailed in the story. There is no evidence whatsoever that Adam and Eve disobeyed God with respect to being fruitful. And of course at some point, Adam and Eve did have children. Is there some reason (other than trying to catch God in an inconsistency) to assume that God was not satisfied with the timing?Let's assume for the sake of argument that God did not punish Adam and Eve for every transgression of his commands with a punishment akin to the loss of eternal life, pain in childbirth, subservience to Adam, etc. Explain why such a scheme is unfair or some kind of double standard. Is it a double standard that we don't lock up our kids when they steal cookies, but we do lock up car jackers?Explain.Edited by NoNukes, : No reason given.

Can people reproduce when they are to dimwitted to know they are naked?No they cannot.Why you need documentation to make that leap of logic is beyond me.True that A & E did reproduce but it would have been impossible for them until after their eyes were opened and they were bright enough to know they were naked. You do not seem to recognize that simple fact."Let's assume for the sake of argument that God did not punish Adam and Eve for every transgression of his commands with a punishment akin to the loss of eternal life, pain in childbirth, subservience to Adam, etc. Explain why such a scheme is unfair or some kind of double standard."I will let you explain to me why it is immoral.If you tell your child that you will ground him or her for a day if he/she does something, and he/she does it anyway, --- and you then arbitrarily tell him/her that they will be spanked every night for a week, --- even though you had not mentioned that before, --- do you think you are being fair with your child?Do you think your child will see that additional punishment as fair?Regards
DL

It looks as if you've stopped pretending to be polite. I am asking for a Bible citation because it is clear that you are making stuff up.We've debated this point before. The text does not say that Adam and Eve did not yet know how to make babies. In a previous thread you made this assumption and then concluded that God told them to make babies at a time when they did not know how. The Bible does not say that Adam and Eve were ignorant about sex. That is your personal interpretation.But let's accept your position on that point. If we do then we can see that your original question is pointless. If Adam and Eve had not yet learned to make children then we don't need an explanation for why God was not mad about the delay in being fruitful. An easy explanation is that God was waiting for Adam and Eve to figure things out.Please take your time before posting.

This is how it was learned how to make babies:

The Creation of Men and Women

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When the world was finished, there were as yet no people, but the Bald Eagle was chief of the animals. He saw that the world was incomplete and decided to make some human beings. So he took some clay and modeled the figure of a man and laid him on the ground. At first he was very small but he grew rapidly until he reached normal size. But as yet he had no life; he was still asleep. Then the Bald Eagle stood and admired his work. "It is impossible," he said, "that he should be left alone; he must have a mate." So he pulled out a feather and laid it beside the sleeping man. Then he left them and went off a short distance, for he knew that a woman was being formed from the feather. But the man was still asleep and did not know what was happening. When the Bald Eagle decided that the woman was about completed, he returned, awoke the man by flapping his wings over him and flew away.

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The man opened his eyes and stared at the woman. "What does this mean?" he asked. "I thought I was alone!" Then the Bald Eagle returned and said with a smile, "I see you have a mate! Have you had intercourse with her?" "No," replied he man, for he and the woman knew nothing about each other. Then the Bald Eagle called to Coyote who happened to be going by and said to him, "Do you see that woman? Try her first!" Coyote was quite willing and complied, but immediately afterwards lay down and died. The Bald Eagle went away and left Coyote dead, but presently returned and revived him. "How did it work?" said the Bald Eagle. "Pretty well, but it nearly kills a man!" replied Coyote. "Will you try it again?" said the Bald Eagle. Coyote agreed, and tried again, and this time survived. Then the Bald Eagle turned to the man and said, "She is all right now; you and she are to live together.

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California Indian creation story

NoNukesSo you think it ok and normal for God to command something that cannot be done. Ok.You ignore the consequence question showing how dishonest a poster you are.Deflect without answers. Typical Christian.Regards
DL

Well there's no need to brag.

That was, um... a cousin. Right, a cousin.

Wrong. It is your position and yours alone that God commanded something that could not be done. I don't believe the Bible says any such thing. Further, when I ask you do demonstrate that it does, you find excuses not to point to a single Bible verse.All of that is besides the point. The problem is that your belief that Adam and Eve were incapable of having children makes your question about why God did not punish them for not having children meaningless if not outright stupid. Do I owe you answers to every one of your questions? Do you answer all of my questions? No. Am I calling you names because of that? No.