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Message 6 of 162 (782567)
04-26-2016 7:17 AM
Reply to: Message 4 by Faith
04-26-2016 4:45 AM


Faith writes:
I'll crawl out from under my rock to get bashed as usual,...
You will not get bashed if you follow moderation and the Forum Guidelines.
Moderators cannot be in every thread 24/7. One common problem in threads where you participate is that by the time a moderator checks in by far the greatest offender is usually you. You tend to take offense at what are at most exceptionally minor affronts and use them as launching points into spectacular misbehavior and abuse of others. Another problem is that you often exert a great deal of effort at working around moderation.
I'm not going to allow you to heat up yet another discussion that you then abandon in a huff. You've already abandoned two discussions in the past week alone (Why we should not expect many if any Creationists and Earth science curriculum tailored to fit wavering fundamentalists). I'm warning you now, I'm not going to tolerate any Forum Guidelines violations in this thread by you or anyone, so if you're going to abandon this thread then you should do it now.
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Message 18 of 162 (782597)
04-26-2016 11:05 AM
Reply to: Message 17 by Faith
04-26-2016 10:57 AM


Faith writes:
They actually do not. The Bible is absolutely unique.
What claims would you like to compare? I'll quote the Bible, you quote from whatever.
I'm responding to a post from Faith, but this is to everyone.
This shouldn't be yet another thread where believers in an inerrant Bible attempt to prove the truth of the Bible. Given that the topic is This belief thing, the discussion is on another level. This thread is about the nature of belief.
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Message 37 of 162 (782664)
04-27-2016 10:18 AM


Topic Reminder
This thread is not about how one branch of Christianity is the one, right and true religion, and how adherents believe they can prove it. It's about the nature of belief. Make the discussion less personal by focusing on non-Christian religions like Islam or Judaism. Explore what it is about the nature of belief that causes some to think their religion is the one that is right and true.
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Message 52 of 162 (782736)
04-28-2016 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 46 by Faith
04-27-2016 7:20 PM


Moderator Ruling
Hi Faith,
I received your PM and these are my rulings:
  1. Please do not personalize this thread by holding yourself up as an archetype. This is because when it comes to your own beliefs there are an entire host of possibilities you refuse to consider, but that you seem to have no problem considering for other people, especially of other religions.
  2. Please do not use your own religion as a basis for argument. Argue more generally. This is for the same reason as #1, because when it comes to your own religion there are an entire host of possibilities you refuse to consider, but that you seem to have no problem considering for other religions.
  3. Please do not use the argument, "We just interpret the evidence differently." It's a an empty argument that can be used at any time on any topic, equivalent to, "That's just the way I see it." If you have no evidence or rationale explaining and making sense of your view of the evidence, then please stop debating until you do.
    If you like, you can open a thread to discuss the, "We just interpret the evidence differently," argument.
I've read ahead to your Message 51 and think your argument that claimed eyewitness accounts should be accepted as evidence would be a good discussion subtopic, but do not use any examples that are in any way connected to Christianity.
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Message 68 of 162 (783192)
05-04-2016 7:54 AM
Reply to: Message 67 by Faith
05-03-2016 3:15 PM


Re: Reliability of witness testimony
Faith writes:
If this is going to get me suspended, may I have the option of deleting it instead?
You're not getting suspended.
In discussions where you're involved Christianity is ruled out as an example of belief in this thread because you have some unconditional nonnegotiable ground rules. These are from your Message 46 and Message 51:
  1. The Bible contains the objective evidence of its truth.
  2. Christian conversion is REAL conversion.
  3. Biblical witnesses are truthful good witnesses.
  4. Whatever Biblical witnesses witnessed is evidence.
  5. The Bible is comprised of much evidence reported by trustworthy witnesses.
  6. Those rejecting this are prejudiced and are impugning the witnesses' character.
All this leads to your final unyielding conclusion, that for Christians belief is simply what is true. Then when this is challenged discussion breaks down followed by your exit shortly thereafter.
So if you want to discuss the nature of belief in this thread, you'll have to use non-Christian believers as examples.
Edited by Admin, : Wordsmithing.

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Message 105 of 162 (783873)
05-09-2016 1:32 PM


Topic Reminder
I encouraged participants to discuss This belief thing from a non-Christian perspective so as to avoid having one side feel the other side was attacking their beliefs. The focus has instead been on Christian beliefs, and so far the discussion hasn't suffered, but I wanted to mention that I still consider it a risk. I interpret this thread as about why people latch onto one set of beliefs instead of another, not why they latch onto one particular Christian's set of beliefs.
The current course of discussion seems fine and productive, I just wanted to repeat my concerns again.

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Message 136 of 162 (784083)
05-11-2016 7:54 PM
Reply to: Message 134 by LamarkNewAge
05-11-2016 6:05 PM


Re: responce on archaeological evidence.
Hi LamarkNewAge,
Please don't post messages with huge cut-n-pastes. From the Forum Guidelines:
  1. Avoid lengthy cut-n-pastes. Introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line.
As this is your second warning I will remove the content from your message and send a copy to you in a PM.
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Message 142 of 162 (784203)
05-14-2016 6:31 AM
Reply to: Message 137 by LamarkNewAge
05-13-2016 4:24 PM


Re: Solomon lived where and when?
LamarkNewAge writes:
My responses and posts have been deleted a lot lately.
Correction: Despite warnings you have repeatedly violated rule 6 of the Forum Guidelines, and there has been moderator action twice. In one case your response was hidden, in another it was removed and the content PM'd to you. From the Forum Guidelines:
  1. Avoid lengthy cut-n-pastes. Introduce the point in your own words and provide a link to your source as a reference. If your source is not on-line you may contact the Site Administrator to have it made available on-line.
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Message 152 of 162 (784250)
05-15-2016 8:44 AM
Reply to: Message 146 by LamarkNewAge
05-14-2016 4:48 PM


Re: Modulous and my point. Attempted by me. Here goes.
LamarkNewAge writes:
My post is lost though.
If you're referring to your Message 134, the post is not lost. As I told you in the very next message, "As this is your second warning I will remove the content from your message and send a copy to you in a PM." You have the complete text of your message. Use its content to compose new messages. Just don't post messages that are mostly cut-n-pastes. We want to hear what *you* have to say, supported by short quotes and excerpts, and links.
If you lost the PM I can send you a copy.

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