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Phat
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Message 91 of 107 (841540)
10-15-2018 3:36 AM


Good Advice

My latest effort is scientifically based and follows this bit of wisdom. (start at 28:10)

You can't do it in a month

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Tangle
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Message 92 of 107 (841542)
10-15-2018 3:41 AM
Reply to: Message 91 by Phat
10-15-2018 3:36 AM


Re: Good Advice
[qs=Phat]My latest effort...

This is your problem.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 93 of 107 (841543)
10-15-2018 3:42 AM
Reply to: Message 92 by Tangle
10-15-2018 3:41 AM


Re: Good Advice
oh and I suppose that you get it right the first time! Yes I know...its a lifestyle change...yada yada yada...but one has to begin somewhere.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Tangle
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Message 94 of 107 (841544)
10-15-2018 3:52 AM
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10-15-2018 3:42 AM


Re: Good Advice
Phat writes:

Yes I know...its a lifestyle change...yada yada yada...but one has to begin somewhere.

Yes, it begins with a realisation that if you want to lose weight permanently you need to eat (and drink) less, take more exercise and eat a sensible balanced diet. And do it over time without obsessing about it. That's it

You're looking for magical solutions that don't work and that you change every few months. You'll just get fatter while you sit on your arse googling for the next fad diet to make you feel as though you're doing something.

The yada, yada, yada bit is the important bit.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Faith
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Message 95 of 107 (841546)
10-15-2018 4:01 AM
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10-15-2018 3:36 AM


Re: Good Advice
Just for the record, I've completely given up on doing anything about my bad eating habits, trying to lose weight or anything. Of course you are a lot younger than I am so maybe you can still muster some motivation. I can't any more.
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Phat
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Message 96 of 107 (841556)
10-15-2018 9:29 AM
Reply to: Message 94 by Tangle
10-15-2018 3:52 AM


Re: Good Advice
tangle writes:

Yes, it begins with a realization that if you want to lose weight permanently you need to eat (and drink) less, take more exercise and eat a sensible balanced diet.

I still believe that lowering the carbs and thus reducing the insulin will make me healthier in the long run. Science backs me on this one. Virtually every major disease has hyperinsulinemia as its root cause. Too much insulin is a bad thing for me. (for anyone, really)
...And do it over time without obsessing about it.
I prefer the term studying about it rather than obsessing. The subject interests me and I have studied it in depth...even asking my Doctors questions and getting more information. At the beginning of the summer, my A1C was 7.3%. Last visit in September it had risen to 9.1% which was not good. This battle isn't easy. I slipped up on the low carb plan during the summer, however. It will still be my main focus.

You're looking for magical solutions that don't work and that you change every few months.
I am not changing anything. I still have the same diet. And yes, you are right...I need balance and moderation. These things I know. Ask anyone who struggles with weight and blood sugar control and they will also tell you it isn't easy. But I'm doing it! In mid-Sept I weighed 232. (9.1 A1C) As of today, Oct 15th, I have lost 12 pounds and the swelling in my legs has vanished. My A1C is on the way back..I will have it taken again next visit.
You'll just get fatter while you sit on your arse googling for the next fad diet to make you feel as though you're doing something.
Why must you be so critical? See how you sound?
The yada, yada, yada bit is the important bit.
Results occur with time. There is no quick solution nor is there a magic one. We can agree on this much.

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Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 97 of 107 (841558)
10-15-2018 9:41 AM
Reply to: Message 95 by Faith
10-15-2018 4:01 AM


Re: Good Advice
Faith writes:

Just for the record, I've completely given up on doing anything about my bad eating habits, trying to lose weight or anything. Of course, you are a lot younger than I am so maybe you can still muster some motivation. I can't anymore.

I think I can somewhat understand and empathize with your situation. Pain and chronic inflammation are no fun. I had a successful run from mid-March to June, then I fell off of it and became distracted with other problems in life. My legs again swelled up and I ate too many carbohydrates which spiked my blood sugar once again. Sometimes we learn the hard way, I guess. It took three hard weeks to retrain my body to burn fat first and sugar sparingly...which I can document as being the healthiest diet for diabetics. I am just getting started on what hopefully will be a lifestyle change rather than simply a fad, as Tangle asserts.

What he fails to understand is the mental and emotional battle. If it were as easy as he suggests, everyone would be healthy.

IIRC you once championed a plant-based diet. Add a few good oils and cut the other carbs back (potatoes, rice, etc.) and you will be doing well for your inflammatory arthritis and aches and pains. Limit meat to organic, eat wisely and dont get depressed about it all. Patience is a virtue. Some days can be hell, though. I could see wanting to get raptured out of all of this! Be encouraged, Faith.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Faith
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Message 98 of 107 (841572)
10-15-2018 2:13 PM
Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
10-15-2018 9:41 AM


Re: Good Advice
Can't do it any more.
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Tangle
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Message 99 of 107 (841583)
10-15-2018 4:57 PM
Reply to: Message 96 by Phat
10-15-2018 9:29 AM


Re: Good Advice
Phat writes:

Why must you be so critical?

Because I'm not your actual friend, I'm just some guy on the internet. I can say things that your real friends might not. I realise it's normal to cheer effort and and all that stuff but if you're not interested in impartial opinion, it's best not to publish your life on an internationally public forum.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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Phat
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Message 100 of 107 (841641)
10-17-2018 8:16 AM
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10-15-2018 4:57 PM


Re: Good Advice
I realize it's normal to cheer effort and all that stuff but if you're not interested in impartial opinion, it's best not to publish your life on an internationally public forum.
That makes sense. Ive done my research on these low carb diets though....for diabetics they are really the best way.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Phat
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Message 101 of 107 (841732)
10-20-2018 4:04 PM
Reply to: Message 98 by Faith
10-15-2018 2:13 PM


Re: Good Advice
Faith writes:

Can't do it any more.

How old are you? 67 or so? Don't tell me that you are giving up for the rest of your natural life and waiting for some Rapture. God may tarry for another length of time....and Ringo has a point that we do have to do it for ourselves...God or no God. Which does not mean that we cease believing and trusting...it only means we can't give up while we are alive.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Faith
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Message 102 of 107 (841762)
10-21-2018 3:22 PM
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10-20-2018 4:04 PM


Re: Good Advice
I'm 76, not particularly waiting for anything at the moment, just find it impossible any more to stick to any food system I've tried. I no longer shop for myself, I rely on others to figure out what's on my lists and they don't always get it right, and in general I eat what's easiest, fastest to put together, which is usually not something that requires a lot of washing and chopping as fresh veggies do. Cooking takes a lot out of me. I'll even resort to a piece of bread and butter for a meal.

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Phat
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Message 103 of 107 (841770)
10-21-2018 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 102 by Faith
10-21-2018 3:22 PM


Science and Emotions
I pray for the best for you. God has given me the strength and wisdom to continue this lifestyle change that I am on for two months now. I dropped from 232 to 220, and my goal is 200 pounds byu the end of the year. The extra weight was hurting my health and my A1C was at 9.1% in September but I'm estimating it is already around 7% now and will get better with continued time. I am eating real food--healthy and in moderation. My faith is strong yet unsettled...I guess I have always expected more out of life than what I am getting. My feet are sore nearly every day as I have neuropathy and the diet is causing my fat pads to diminish so I feel pain with every step. My eyes have symptoms of retinopathy and so far my kidneys are ok, but logic suggests that they too have been damaged.

Yes its all been my fault...I won't blame any devil for this predicament, but I really wish I could have got it together when I was 30 and not now at 59. I feel as if I have been cheated in life, even though most of it I did to myself.

My mantra these days is to "let the science work"...and it is helping my body to change. God has given me wisdom, though I am afraid that I also have the wisdom to question everything that I had been taught to believe. I seriously doubt I would ever become an atheist, and I believe as you do 100% that Jesus is alive and in communion with me and that He did choose me for a reason---though I never want to become an old cripple telling folks how good he is...because I would be quite angry that I was not given the strength to change years earlier and I do take some of the counter-arguments seriously...which is causing some cognitive dissonance at this point in time.

Of course, I don't believe that God was a creation of humans. I can never imagine letting go that much....because if God did not exist, reality itself is a cruel, uncaring, and harsh mistress...and gives no hope to anyone.

Anyway I hope that you stay healthy and able to communicate with the outside world...even though you sometimes get a bit stubborn, you are who you are and only God or Faith herself can change it.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Faith
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Message 104 of 107 (841772)
10-21-2018 4:27 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by Phat
10-21-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Science and Emotions
I'm glad you are having success with your diet.

Otherwise I don't much appreciate your comments about me lately (or a lot of your opinions in any case for that matter).

ABE: But let me add what may be a comforting thought about old age from Isaiah 40:30-31:

Even the youths shall faint and be weary, and the young men shall utterly fall: But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint.

Of course learning to wait on the Lord can be as hard work as sticking to a diet.

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Tangle
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Message 105 of 107 (841774)
10-21-2018 5:03 PM
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10-21-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Science and Emotions
Phat writes:

I can never imagine letting go that much....because if God did not exist, reality itself is a cruel, uncaring, and harsh mistress...and gives no hope to anyone.

Well of course, that's why gods had to be invented. Can you imagine what it was like 2,000 years ago? People then couldn't even imagine the luxuriousness and absurd privileges of your life now. You know, veil of tears and all that.

Odd sort of thing for a loving god to inflict on his children don't you think?

But at least we're making a good fist of improving things for ourselves.


Je suis Charlie. Je suis Ahmed. Je suis Juif. Je suis Parisien. I am Mancunian. I am Brum. I am London.I am Finland. Soy Barcelona

"Life, don't talk to me about life" - Marvin the Paranoid Android

"Science adjusts it's views based on what's observed.
Faith is the denial of observation so that Belief can be preserved."
- Tim Minchin, in his beat poem, Storm.


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