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ringo
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Message 1531 of 1581 (840248)
09-26-2018 12:07 PM
Reply to: Message 1529 by Phat
09-26-2018 11:58 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:

I don't believe that God usually gives us direct answers. He stimulates our thinking.


Copout. If that's all your God does, he's no different than Freud or Frodo.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Faith
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Message 1532 of 1581 (840255)
09-26-2018 12:41 PM
Reply to: Message 1524 by Tangle
09-26-2018 10:54 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
The entirity of your belief system rest on one single book - a collection of short stories. The stories are folk tales, myth and legend.

What utterly ridiculous nonsense. Evidence you've never spent half a minute familiarizing yourself with it or those who know it best -- or that you are delusional. And of course you say nothing about whether you've read even half a page of any of those I listed as the illustrious Christians of the UK's past. Such soberminded highly intelligent people who treat the Bible as God's word could give you a different perspective if you spent any time getting to know them.

There's no reason why anyone would have anymore knowledge about what's written in there than anyone else.

That's an odd thing to say since it wouldn't be true of any book whatever let alone the supernatural work known as the Bible.

Istead, what you *do* have is a multitude of different personal opinions which can't be resolved but can be exploited. So much so that civilisations have clashed over them for thousands of years. It really is time we all grew up.

All the names on my list agree on the basics about the Bible. And you are apparently ignorant of history as well as the Bible.


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Phat
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Message 1533 of 1581 (840257)
09-26-2018 12:43 PM
Reply to: Message 1531 by ringo
09-26-2018 12:07 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Believe what you want. You've never trusted Him anyway. I've yet to meet a drunk with any real wisdom. (unless you are one and I don't know it!)

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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Faith
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Message 1534 of 1581 (840258)
09-26-2018 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1526 by Tangle
09-26-2018 11:25 AM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
If so why is Faith's position not the same as GDR's?

Because he rejects parts of the Bible he doesn't like, quite willing to make up his own version of Christianity from the parts he likes. Tradition and dogma mean nothing to him; whereas I regard the Bible as God's word and seek to learn what it asks of me without imposing my own will on it. As do all those on that list I made for you.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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ringo
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Message 1535 of 1581 (840259)
09-26-2018 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 1533 by Phat
09-26-2018 12:43 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:

You've never trusted Him anyway.


Stop it. Telling lies about me doesn't help your case.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1536 of 1581 (840260)
09-26-2018 12:49 PM
Reply to: Message 1535 by ringo
09-26-2018 12:47 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Is it a lie? You have indicated that you dont even believe that He exists. You interpret His message as working for the people. You trust humans.

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 1537 of 1581 (840263)
09-26-2018 12:59 PM
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09-26-2018 12:49 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:

Is it a lie?


Yes.

Phat writes:

You have indicated that you dont even believe that He exists.


You keep saying that I "never" believed. That is a lie. Maybe it comforts you to think that no True Believer could ever stop believing but it's stll a lie.

Phat writes:

You trust humans.


Another think I have to keep telling you over and over again: I trust humans more than I trust your God. Human interests are more likely to coincide with mine. Your God plans to torture me for eternity, so he isn't very appealing.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1538 of 1581 (840265)
09-26-2018 1:05 PM
Reply to: Message 1537 by ringo
09-26-2018 12:59 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Your God plans to torture me for eternity, so he isn't very appealing.
Why would He torture you? Do you have a documented reason?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 1539 of 1581 (840266)
09-26-2018 1:11 PM
Reply to: Message 1538 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:05 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:

Why would He torture you?


You tell me. It's your religion. Next time you're communing with God, ask him.

Phat writes:

Do you have a documented reason?


Ever hear of the Bible?

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1540 of 1581 (840267)
09-26-2018 1:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1539 by ringo
09-26-2018 1:11 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
tghats what you get for believing the message yet ignoring the messenger.

There is no evidence even in the Bible that God would torture you specifically.


Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 1541 of 1581 (840270)
09-26-2018 1:19 PM
Reply to: Message 1540 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:16 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:

There is no evidence even in the Bible that God would torture you specifically.


Bullshit.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1542 of 1581 (840271)
09-26-2018 1:21 PM
Reply to: Message 1541 by ringo
09-26-2018 1:19 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Care to quote it?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 1543 of 1581 (840276)
09-26-2018 1:30 PM
Reply to: Message 1542 by Phat
09-26-2018 1:21 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:

Care to quote it?


Since you think I never go outside Matthew 25, that's as good a place as any to start:
quote:
Matthew 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

According to Faith and jaywill, that's me. Even if it isn't me specifically, I disapprove.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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Phat
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Message 1544 of 1581 (840277)
09-26-2018 1:34 PM
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09-26-2018 1:30 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Do you feel as if you resemble those on the Left hand? Is there any reason why you could argue on their behalf, even if you were not obne of them? Is God obligated to save everybody regardless of their behavior and actions?

Chance as a real force is a myth. It has no basis in reality and no place in scientific inquiry. For science and philosophy to continue to advance in knowledge, chance must be demythologized once and for all. –RC Sproul
"A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes." –Mark Twain "
~"If that's not sufficient for you go soak your head."~Faith
You can "get answers" by watching the ducks. That doesn't mean the answers are coming from them.~Ringo

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ringo
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Message 1545 of 1581 (840280)
09-26-2018 1:43 PM
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09-26-2018 1:34 PM


Re: Coming back for the Reaping of Life
Phat writes:

Do you feel as if you resemble those on the Left hand? Is there any reason why you could argue on their behalf, even if you were not obne of them?


I am one of them. I'm human. Maybe I've done enough to be a sheep and maybe not.

Phat writes:

Is God obligated to save everybody regardless of their behavior and actions?


A decent God wouldn't have to "save" anybody from Himself.

And our geese will blot out the sun.

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