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Coragyps
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Message 211 of 268 (843434)
11-17-2018 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 209 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:10 PM


Re: Violence breaks out as first wave of migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana, Mexico
Not at all. More that there needs to be a little more equity in how these crappy jobs get distributed and remunerated. Maybe put some congressmen and CEOs out on the killing dock at the chicken processing plant for a week or so.
I didn’t like it too well when I was a pup. And I was a Giblet Toter, not a Neck Slitter.
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Faith
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Message 212 of 268 (843435)
11-17-2018 4:17 PM
Reply to: Message 193 by NosyNed
11-16-2018 7:31 PM


Re: UC Berkeley Christian Student Senator ostracized for objection to LGBT resolution
Thanks, I agree that her choice to abstain was the best.
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PaulK
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Message 213 of 268 (843436)
11-17-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 204 by Faith
11-17-2018 3:57 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
quote:

Well, I do have a big problem with these activist judges that take it upon themselves to write the law instead of interpretating it, and defy the balance of powers.

By which you mean judges who make decisions you don’t like. The actual law doesn’t matter to you.

quote:

This is a stupid decision, there is no right to be a boor in the White House.

By which you mean any hint of disagreeing with Trump’s opinions.

The fact remains that Acosta’s credentials were arbitrarily taken away on extremely dubious grounds and the government doesn’t have the right to do that. Due process is required.


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Faith
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Message 214 of 268 (843437)
11-17-2018 4:19 PM
Reply to: Message 211 by Coragyps
11-17-2018 4:17 PM


Re: Violence breaks out as first wave of migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana, Mexico
I'm still not getting your point I guess. What does this have to do with illegal immigration?
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Faith
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Message 215 of 268 (843438)
11-17-2018 4:24 PM
Reply to: Message 213 by PaulK
11-17-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
Oooo now there is a lovely example of just what i was talking about a few posts back (Message 191) of how I can't say anything without having some snarky mean construction put on it, the way the interrogator of Diamond and Silk kept turning their perfectly clear answers into lies. This isn't debate, this isn't discussion you are doing, this is some kind of mental abuse, very Leftist, and you do it to me all the time.

The law matters a great deal to me and this judgment is political twisting of the law. That is wacko that due process is required beyond the clear fact that the man was rude. This is a privilege, not a right, he was out of order.

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PaulK
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Message 216 of 268 (843440)
11-17-2018 4:47 PM
Reply to: Message 215 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:24 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
quote:

OOO now there is a lovely example of just what i was talking about a few posts back of how I can't say anything without having some snarky mean construction put on it...

Because obviously nobody should notice that you are attacking the decision without any understanding of the law or the reasoning behind it.

quote:

The law matters a great deal to me and this judgment is political twisting of the law

If that is true then let’s see the legal analysis which demonstrates it.

quote:

That is wacko that due process is required beyond the clear fact that the man was rude.

The White House doesn’t seem to think that’s good enough. That’s why they went with the “assault” argument - which didn’t hold water.

quote:

This is a privilege, not a right, he was out of order.

In other words he dared to question Trump’s opinion.


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Coragyps
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Message 217 of 268 (843443)
11-17-2018 4:59 PM
Reply to: Message 214 by Faith
11-17-2018 4:19 PM


Re: Violence breaks out as first wave of migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana, Mexico
It has a great deal to do with illegal immigration. 19% of the employees in the US dairy farming industry are undocumented, according to a survey I read of recently. I don’t know percentages for poultry of beef processing, but those are apparently high. I know from personal observation that a great number of undocumented folks work in the oilfield, not just here in Texas but in, say, North Dakota as well. Construction workers, nursing home workers, maids in motels.....
The US economy depends real heavily on underpaid, overworked, often undocumented employees. And they’re disposable, because they’re nearly untraceable. It has to be a hell of a life, and the country is not set up to do much to help. Wailing about “invaders” doesn’t accomplish anything beyond perhaps generating vote for Ted Cruz and his odious ilk.
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Faith
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Message 218 of 268 (843446)
11-17-2018 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 217 by Coragyps
11-17-2018 4:59 PM


Re: Violence breaks out as first wave of migrant caravan arrives in Tijuana, Mexico
But that is a pretty convoluted roundabout way of justifying illegal immigration it seems to me, and to justify it is to perpetuate the very injustice you are decrying. In other words why aren't YOU arguing against illegal immigration for the sake of these underpaid and overworked people? I also know of a situation where an illegal immigrant has made himself absolutely indispensable to a wealthy man who actually takes good care of him and his family, has set them up in a house and made other provisions for them. They are all scared to death that they might be deported, and I have to admit it would be a terrible thing for all concerned. They are doing better than most because this wealthy man truly cares for them, but there's something wrong with this whole picture. I think the country should not be subject to undocumented invasion for any reason, that our laws should determine who comes in and who doesn't, but there is also that other side you mention and that's another reason for objecting to illegality.
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Faith
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Message 219 of 268 (843448)
11-17-2018 5:44 PM
Reply to: Message 216 by PaulK
11-17-2018 4:47 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled? You can buy a transcript of the court proceeding but otherwise you'll have to wait I think three months for it to be available to the public for free. In other words nobody knows how the law was applied or the reasoning behind it as you put it. Nobody. You too.

What's the point in producing a legal analysis that is only going to be dismissed by a politically motivated judge anyway? The only thing that carries any weight is the final judgment no matter how wacko. There is something seriously wrong with this system we have that can become the source of tyrannical judicial oppression by "judges" who are nothing but politically motivated shysters.

And yes, I do think no reporter should "challenge" the President's opinion the way this arrogant upstart self-aggrandizing "reporter" did. Certainly not then arguing with him about it after he answered. He is there at the invitation of the President, he has no legal or constitutional right to be there and yes I feel quite free to make this judgment. And from now on when you talk to me in this fashion I'm not answering you. Which is exactly what Trump did and should be allowed to do.

Edited by Faith, : No reason given.


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Message 220 of 268 (843450)
11-17-2018 6:08 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
11-17-2018 5:44 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
quote:

How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled?

There are plenty of reports. Even if you can’t see every detail there’s nothing obviously wrong in what has been said. And the Judge was obviously not happy with the White House being unable to say who made the decision - and the changing story about the reason for it can’t have helped.

quote:

In other words nobody knows how the law was applied or the reasoning behind it as you put it. Nobody. You too.

Which means that your attacks on the judge were baseless and made without any real concern for the law. Just as I said.

You really have to stop behaving badly and then whining and lying when caught at it. As is your habit,

quote:

What's the point in producing a legal analysis that is only going to be dismissed by a politically motivated judge anyway?

You mean what is the point in backing up your assertions here? It should be obvious. And of course the reason I challenged you to do so is obvious. If knew you couldn’t do it. I knew that you were at your usual trick of slandering someone who said something you didn’t like. And I was right. You can’t even stop when you’ve obviously been caught.

quote:

The only thing that carries any weight is the final judgment no matter how wacko. There is something seriously wrong with this system we have that can become the source of tyrannical judicial oppression by "judges" who are nothing but politically motivated shysters.

And there you go again.

quote:

And yes, I do think no reporter should "challenge" the President's opinion the way this arrogant upstart self-aggrandizing "reporter" did. Certainly not then arguing with him about it after he answered.

I think Trumps opinions - and his lies - should be challenged more.


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Coragyps
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Message 221 of 268 (843451)
11-17-2018 6:19 PM
Reply to: Message 220 by PaulK
11-17-2018 6:08 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
Mr Trump is, after all, our employee. We should have fired him already, but it’s probably for the best that they made that difficult.
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Message 222 of 268 (843453)
11-17-2018 7:47 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
11-17-2018 5:44 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled?

we do know how he ruled, he ruled that the White House must give Acosta back his press credentials. He determined that:

CNN was likely to prevail on its Fifth Amendment claim — that Acosta hadn't received sufficient notice or explanation before his credentials were revoked or been given sufficient opportunity to respond before they were

also:

The White House had spelled out its reasons for revoking Acosta's credentials in a tweet from Sanders and in a statement after CNN filed its lawsuit. But the judge said those "belated efforts were hardly sufficient to satisfy due process."

The judge also found that Acosta suffered "irreparable harm," dismissing the government's argument that CNN could simply send other reporters to cover the White House in Acosta's place.

But the judge also emphasized the "very limited nature" of his ruling Friday. He noted he had not determined that the First Amendment was violated.

https://www.cbc.ca/...-rules-acosta-cnn-press-pass-1.4908673

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AZPaul3
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Message 223 of 268 (843454)
11-17-2018 8:08 PM
Reply to: Message 219 by Faith
11-17-2018 5:44 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
How come NOBODY knows how this judge ruled? You can buy a transcript of the court proceeding but otherwise you'll have to wait I think three months for it to be available to the public for free. In other words nobody knows how the law was applied or the reasoning behind it as you put it. Nobody.

Are you really THAT naive?

I'm going to scold you severely but I do have good intentions here.

Do you not know the court is required by law to give copies of its rulings to all plaintiffs and respondents? It is part of the court costs already paid. Within hours of the decision's release CNN (plaintiff), and all the respondents (White House, Sanders, Chief of Staff, Deputy Chief of Staff and others) had copies from their lawyers who made hundreds of copies to disseminate to their staffs for review and comment.

You think the fact that anyone else interested in the question but not part of the case has to pay a fee is some kind of radical left-wing Nazi Commie conspiracy? It's cost reduction, kid. Right now every law school, newspaper, think tank, network, and on and on, that wants a copy WILL buy one from the court administration and will show that cost as a tax deductible business expense. And that revenue helps defray the courts expenses. The reason the court may make the opinion free of charge in a few months is because the numbers requested will be considerably less by then and it doesn't cost them anything to provide it through their archive on-line.

This is America, Love, and even the courts understand the laws of supply and demand.

If you don't like the analysis of the ruling coming from the media then go find one of your right-wing neo-facist yellow rags and ... guess what? ... get the same analysis from them.

The lawyers for all sides know full well what the court said and why it said it to every point of law. You don't need that level of detail especially since you are incapable of understanding the fine points of the various legal arguments.

This reaction from you upset me more than it should. I don't know why. Maybe because I expect better from you. Know what the hell you're talking about before you spout off in such a dumb way. This isn't that hard to understand.


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Faith
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Message 224 of 268 (843455)
11-17-2018 10:30 PM
Reply to: Message 223 by AZPaul3
11-17-2018 8:08 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
If you don't like the analysis of the ruling coming from the media then go find one of your right-wing....

I got it from Mark Levin who "has a J.D. from Temple University Beasley School of Law."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/

Listen from about 5-ish to about 34...

On Friday's Mark Levin Show, Federal Judge Timothy Kelly, has ruled, from the bench, a 14 day temporary restraining order that the White House give back Jim Acosta's hard press pass until due process can be afforded to him. The Court did not discuss the validity of CNN's first amendment claims, however the court does not allow media in the courtroom and we the American people have no idea exactly what took place in that courtroom. The U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia would not release a public transcript of today’s ruling on Acosta’s press pass unless we paid for each page of the document, filled out an extensive application, and got the approval of the court’s office. Freedom of the press, except when it comes to the federal judiciary. Also, there is no requirement for the President to even hold a press conference or much less to call on certain reporter. We don't need a jerk in a black robe to tell us that this isn't constitutional, we know that because this is a clear violation of the separation of powers. What we're witnessing here is judicial tyranny and all they care about is themselves.

Later, Robert Mueller has submitted written questions to President Trump and he has easily answered them reiterating that there was no collusion and there should never have been an investigation or witch hunt as he calls it.

Then, election recounts in Georgia and Florida seem to be unchanged despite the effort of the Democrats to change the results. Meddling by the press, posting election projections before all precincts are counted is irresponsible; the press has a responsibility to report news for the people not for their own evil maniacal interests.

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AZPaul3
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Message 225 of 268 (843456)
11-17-2018 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 224 by Faith
11-17-2018 10:30 PM


Re: Acosta’s credentials to be restored - for now
I got it from Mark Levin ...

Well, should have known. JD and all, Levin is known as a crank. A deep state conspiracy pusher and should be compared to Alex Jones for the levels hit on the conspiracy crap-o-meter. Just like Jones he preys on the gullible, the intellectually destitute, the wacko.

Do you really think a judge can issue a restraining order verbally? Without a written order?

If that is your answer to my criticism, I cry. You are hopelessly lost.

Edited by AZPaul3, : No reason given.


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