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Author Topic:   Most convincing evidence for creation theory
Grizz
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Message 24 of 307 (411621)
07-21-2007 3:32 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by iceage
07-21-2007 2:33 PM


Re: Positive Evidence
Consider that 40 percent of life is "designed" to be parasitic what does this say about the designer?
I am not a Creationist or ID'r but will play Devil's Advocate here:
It would imply the Creator studied his Biology. Creationist would claim that the designer realised the importance that parasites play in the viability of an ecosystem, and within more complex organisms.
Microgranisms and parasites play a very important role in oxidation and reduction reactions, which in turn play an important role in sustaining the chemical composition of Earth's oceans and atmosphere.
For example, marine phytoplankton produces a large chunk of the oxygen in the Earth's atmosphere.
The organisms make the environment more habitable for higher life forms.

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Grizz
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Message 28 of 307 (411632)
07-21-2007 4:21 PM
Reply to: Message 27 by Straggler
07-21-2007 4:10 PM


Re: Positive Evidence
Why design a system whereby such parasites are so essential? Why not create an ecosystem that does not require the suffering, brutality and destruction that we see inherent in nature as we know it?
The reply will be because the Fall of Man brought suffering into the world. It is hard to debate a belief because any situation or evidence can always be molded to fit a religious theology. It can be explained away as the will of God.
The question for this thread would probably be better stated 'What is the best Argument for Creationism?'.
The Physical evidence available is the same for both the Scientist and Creationist. Creationists will simply mold physical evidence to fit a religious view, and deny any evidence that outright contradicts it.

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Grizz
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Message 39 of 307 (411646)
07-21-2007 5:31 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by EltonianJames
07-21-2007 4:43 PM


Re: Did I Say That Out Loud?
Discussion and debate become pointless when either side becomes so entrenched in positions and ideals that no amount of evidence contrary to those positions and ideals can challenge and stimulate their thought processes .
The larger question here really boils down to what tool(s) should be used to decide which position best describes reality. I don't think this is a matter of becoming entrenched in a theory, but rather it is about accepting one tool over another.
The Creationist tool for deciphering reality is Divine Revelation, the Scientist employs the Scientific Method. In this regards, I don't see it as a matter of accepting evolution or creation, but deciding which method one shall use to arrive at truths about the world.

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Grizz
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Message 42 of 307 (411652)
07-21-2007 5:56 PM
Reply to: Message 30 by bluegenes
07-21-2007 4:36 PM


Re: Positive Evidence
However, as you're playing Devil's advocate, the O.P. says convincing evidence.
Convincing to whom? That's my point.
History shows no matter how convoluted or inconsistent a belief may be, one will not let physical evidence or facts get in the way of accepting the belief.
There's no evidence, convincing or otherwise, for the existence of an entity who created parasites to plague us because of something our ancestors did. The creationist side on this thread has yet to present a scrap of evidence for the creation or the creator.
Playing the Devils' Advocate again:
I accept Divine Revelation as truth, just as you scientists accept the Scientific Method. If evidence appears at face value to contradict this revelation then it needs to be reconsidered. Such supposed evidence obviously must be innacurately interpreted.
So my best evidence for Creationism is Divine Revelation itself
Edited by Grizz, : No reason given.

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