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Author Topic:   Most convincing evidence for creation theory
Buzsaw
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Message 57 of 307 (411674)
07-21-2007 7:24 PM


Wholistic Approach I E Corroborative Quantity
While admitting that, as is the case with any hypothesis/theory, there are debatable and problematic areas of mystery, I go with the wholistic corroborative quantity argument for intelligent design, each and all of which would be required for explanation of the observed data.
As with healthcare, focusing on symptoms alone is not very effective for lasting health. One can argue for some positive isolated good evidence for just about any origins viewpoint.
The most convincing aspect of ID creationism is the quantity of evidences for ID, all of which are needful to bring about what is observed in the cosmos and upon earth, some examples as follows:
1. The precise position of the sun, moon and earth so far as distance, size, temperature, lightrays et al.
2. All of the needful properties of planet earth's atmosphere.
3. Harmonious balance required for ecobalance in oxygen/hydrogen et al relative to survival of plants and animals, the discharge of one becoming the needful life sustaining inhalant of the other.
4. Complexity of billions of organisms, most of which are ecologically in balance for sustenance of the whole.
5. The mathmatical improbabilities of the original biogenesis of life itself as well as the ability to progress/evolve in the early stages of life relative to entropy and 2LoT without a designer would be argument in favor of ID creationism.
6. Evidence of ID so far as fulfilled Biblical prophecy, the religious mindset of all cultures of mankind throughout history, explanations for the phenomena observed in human cultures, relative to the male/female relationships, reproduction, male dominance (so far as brute strength/family headship/size/et al)
7. The properties of planet earth itself as to properties, core, chemical makeup, all aspects of water, polarity, electrolysis, rotation, orbit, gravity, properties of soil, et al.
There are many more, but since this thread pertains to honing in on our best argument the above are examples for my best argument which would be corroborative quantity perse.
In order for this message not to draw off topic, I suggest that responses pertain to my best argument, being quantity of needful corroborating evidences for ID, all wholistically supportive to ID creationism.
One may pick any one of the above items and cite arguments for and against in attempting to divide and conquer but as with evolutionists, we creationists have quite a significant arsenal of good corroborative evidences which give us good reason to remain entrenched, if you will, into our mindset. For that reason, imo, evolutionists often are too condescending toward us for tenaciously holding to IDist hypotheses.
Edited by Buzsaw, : Missed a spelling error in review

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 65 of 307 (411702)
07-21-2007 11:50 PM
Reply to: Message 59 by nator
07-21-2007 7:31 PM


Re: Wholistic Approach I E Corroborative Quantity
As Bluejeans has correctly stated, this thread is not about contradictory aspects of creation theory. There are a number of significant and prominent aspects of the majority creationist hypothesis which contradict my personal one as no doubt you are aware by now.
Feel free to critique my wholistic approach perse. The examples cited in it are significant given the planet as we observe it could not function without every one of these absolutely essential corroborative aspects which collectively are good evidence for ID creationism hypothesis. Using the chain analogy, one link of what I've cited would render life on planet earth which we observe impossible.
The Biblical creationist model fits the ticket quite nicely, for the most part offering a reasonable logical solution for explanation when the more thermodynamically compatible interpretation is applied as my own hypothesis has put forth in past threads here at EvC.
Imo it's far more probable and logical for so great a number of harmonious corroborative aspects cited to be intelligently designed than for them all to have beaten the great odds corroboratively in needful relative harmony by natural and random processes, not to mention all the other multitudes of necessary things that I have not mentioned in my brief example list.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 76 of 307 (411874)
07-22-2007 11:13 PM
Reply to: Message 68 by jar
07-22-2007 10:50 AM


Re: Except Buz's evidence seems to be non-existant.
Jar, this meanspirited member basher message is not even worth a reply. Talk to someone else or act civil if you want responses from me.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 77 of 307 (411875)
07-22-2007 11:25 PM
Reply to: Message 62 by RAZD
07-21-2007 8:19 PM


Re: Wholistic Approach I E Corroborative Quantity
Razd writes:
If the evidence does not support your specific religion it is not evidence for it.
It supports my Biblical creation theory as evidence regardless of what/who else it supports. Can you agree to that? If not, why not?
Edited by Buzsaw, : No reason given.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 105 of 307 (412116)
07-23-2007 8:12 PM
Reply to: Message 91 by Cold Foreign Object
07-23-2007 1:35 PM


Re: Best Positive Evidence
CFORay writes:
BEST POSITIVE EVIDENCE FOR CREATIONISM
1. The Bible.
2. Appearance (said word is neutral) of design in reality and nature.
3. Cambrian explosion.
4. Existence of Irreducible complexity.
5. Lack of species transitionality seen in the undisturbed geological crust of the Earth.
6. Great Pyramid containing major Biblical claims in its physical passage system and measurements thousands of years before the Bible was written.
Ray you forgot my significant one which is bonafide and was submitted forthrightly.
7. The quantitive factor.
If you have only one or two evidences, you have no argument for your hypothesis. The more evidences you have for ID creationism, that is evidences of factors required for life to exist which are supportive of ID, the more of a case you have for substantiating your hypothesis. My list of examples are just a few of the many which could be cited.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 107 of 307 (412120)
07-23-2007 8:28 PM
Reply to: Message 103 by RAZD
07-23-2007 4:32 PM


Re: Wholistic Approach I E Corroborative Quantity
Razd, imo your argument is a strawman. My tickets are all winners which can be substantiated as at least supportive to ID. The more of these tickets there are existing, the greater my prize, which is in no way analogous to your strawman gambler's lottery argument.
Your ten suspect analogy is simply another similar strawman.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 108 of 307 (412123)
07-23-2007 8:44 PM


The OP Problem
One problem with IAJ's title and OP is that it does not differentiate between creationist evolutionists and ID creationists.
Since evolutionist folks like Jar, Phat and others also call themselves faith based creationists, unless creo IDists designate as such, there may be some element of confusion laced in this thread. Thus I designate my argument to ID creationism.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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Buzsaw
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Message 307 of 307 (413084)
07-27-2007 3:23 PM


Substantiating ID Creation Theory
My summary statement is thus:
Since the best and only argument for creation theory ultimately relates to ID, the more ID implicated needful factors you assemble for planet earth to exist as is observed, the more you substantiate the ID argument.

BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW.
The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past.

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