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Syamsu 
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Message 114 of 141 (479046)
08-23-2008 9:06 PM
Reply to: Message 110 by Al Barrs
08-23-2008 6:55 PM


Re: Creation, Evolution and the Bible
You are using relative motion notions of time. You should instead use historical notions of time, where time is a sequence of decisions. For instance the deciding events in the formation of a nation, the decisive events in a football match. Those kinds of sequences of decisions correspond with real, absolute time. Consider the following quote of Newton:
"1. Hitherto I have laid down the definitions of such words as are less known, and explained the sense in which I would have them to be understood in the following discourse. I do not define time, space, place and motion, as being well known to all. Only I must observe, that the vulgar conceive those quantities under no other notions but from the relation they bear to sensible objects. And thence arise certain prejudices, for the removing of which, it will be convenient to distinguish them into absolute and relative, true and apparent, mathematical and common.
2. Absolute, true, and mathematical time, of itself, and from its own nature flows equably without regard to anything external, and by another name is called duration: [Absolute time is to be contrasted with] relative, apparent, and common time, [which] is some sensible and external (whether accurate or unequable) measure of duration by the means of motion, which is commonly used instead of true time; such as an hour, a day, a month, a year."
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Principia Mathematica (1687)
SCHOLIUM ON ABSOLUTE SPACE AND TIME
The fact that we can trace back to the beginning of the universe using a few laws indicates a few powerful decisions at the start of the universe which pretty much created everything. If we could not look back so close to the beginning, then that would indicate many decisions in the history of the universe of equal influence.
That is the same also for a football match for instance. If you can trace back the result to the beginning then that just means the one side was much stronger than the other side. So the match was decided as soon as the players entered the pitch. But if we had a more equally balanced set of teams, than it would be very difficult to trace the result back to the decisions at which the result was determined.
So as said, our situation is we can easily find the beginning of the universe from the result we see, easily meaning with using only a few universal laws. So that means that 6 days of creation at the start of the universe can still be perfectly accurate, because we know that in a short relative time at the start of the universe pretty much of everything was decided to be the way it is now.

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