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robinrohan
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Message 76 of 135 (336188)
07-28-2006 7:41 PM
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07-28-2006 7:24 PM


Re: No new thread?
Often times, when two people are attracted to each other but cannot have each other they fight. Its the only way they can express those deep passions

Yeah, you might have a point there.


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Message 77 of 135 (336191)
07-28-2006 7:45 PM


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    nator
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    Message 78 of 135 (336193)
    07-28-2006 7:51 PM
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    07-28-2006 7:24 PM


    Re: No new thread?
    quote:
    Often times, when two people are attracted to each other but cannot have each other they fight. Its the only way they can express those deep passions

    Or, the annonymity of an internet discussion board makes it much, much easier to be as blunt as you want to be to a total stranger without having to take the consequences one would ordinarily have to if one were actually speaking such things face to face.


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    Modulous
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    Message 79 of 135 (336237)
    07-29-2006 1:15 AM
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    07-28-2006 5:26 PM


    landmark papers

    Also, I have composed a new topic to discuss landmark works in the ToE, but as it was your idea wanted to ask if it was okay before I post it.

    Go for it - I'll enjoy participating!


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    MUTTY6969
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    Message 80 of 135 (336545)
    07-30-2006 12:33 AM
    Reply to: Message 41 by randman
    07-28-2006 3:29 PM


    Re: It's not science, imo
    Creationist website? As I said, do you or don’t you have a formal education in any of the sciences?

    If someone wanted to know the difference between Human T-Lymphotropic Virus Types I&II, are they going to look at webMD or go to a doctor with a little better understanding of the disease? I’m not saying debate or discussion is a bad thing...but to continually assert knowledge on a particular subject when that knowledge comes from one source i.e. Creationist websites gets frustrating.


    Steve Rushin: "By the age of 18, the average American has witnessed 200,000 acts of violence on television, most of them occurring during Game 1 of the NHL playoff series."
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    iano
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    Message 81 of 135 (336750)
    07-30-2006 8:51 PM
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    07-28-2006 7:51 PM


    Re: No new thread?
    iano...in casual, Schraf vs Robin obeserver mode writes:

    Often times, when two people are attracted to each other but cannot have each other they fight. Its the only way they can express those deep passions

    Robin, in the context of his struggle with Schraf writes:

    You may have a point there.

    Schraf (playing for time..but aware she is not an unattractive woman - with all the disadvantage that brings) writes:


    Or, the annonymity of an internet discussion board makes it much, much easier to be as blunt as you want to be to a total stranger without having to take the consequences one would ordinarily have to if one were actually speaking such things face to face.


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    MangyTiger
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    Message 82 of 135 (336762)
    07-30-2006 9:09 PM
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    07-30-2006 8:51 PM


    Re: No new thread?
    Has anybody ever told you you can be kind of creepy at times?


    Oops! Wrong Planet
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    Message 83 of 135 (336764)
    07-30-2006 9:11 PM
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    07-30-2006 12:33 AM


    Re: It's not science, imo
    So now you present a blatant argument from authority with no substance or details, and you think that is reasonable?

    You also refer to a mythical creationist website not cited by me here. Are you drunk or something?

    Edited by randman, : No reason given.


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    iano
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    Message 84 of 135 (336766)
    07-30-2006 9:17 PM
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    07-30-2006 9:09 PM


    Re: No new thread?
    As a matter of fact, no. 42 years of age and I'll register this as a first.
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    MUTTY6969
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    Message 85 of 135 (336780)
    07-30-2006 9:54 PM
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    07-30-2006 9:11 PM


    Re: It's not science, imo
    quote:
    So now you present a blatant argument from authority with no substance or details, and you think that is reasonable?
    You also refer to a mythical creationist website not cited by me here. Are you drunk or something?
    :laugh:

    Blatant argument from authority, Where?…I was trying to show you what someone’s knowledge of a subject can do for there understanding of said subject…and what mythical website did I attribute to you? Creationist website was a reference to all websites like AIG or ICR that your type of arguments can be found at.


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    Michael
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    Message 86 of 135 (336781)
    07-30-2006 9:56 PM
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    07-30-2006 8:51 PM


    Re: No new thread?
    I'm not sure what you are trying to do here, Iano, but it doesn't look good. "Creepy" was the thought that first came to my mind as well.

    Apologies for the off-topic post.


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    nator
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    Message 87 of 135 (336851)
    07-31-2006 8:31 AM
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    07-30-2006 8:51 PM


    Re: No new thread?
    Just so you know, ian, I never "play for time" on these boards.

    I say exactly what I mean, and mean exactly what I say.


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    jaywill
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    Message 88 of 135 (338797)
    08-09-2006 6:34 PM
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    06-08-2006 7:01 AM


    Anyway, my point is, this forum, and many other evolutionist minded folk throughout my life, have always been adamant about pleading their case. Many say it's fact, and has been proven. They are always persistent in letting you know what they believe. My question is, is it really necessary to promote it so much, if it's that written in stone. I mean, you already have it infiltrating the school system, why do you even need to debate about it, it's fact, isn't it? Is there some sort of "Go and tell" command that evolutionists must abide by, to make sure that their propaganda gets spread? Sort of reminiscent of the Christian's command to go and spread the Gospel.

    How does this work to the tune of "Go Tell It On the Mountain"?


    Go tell it in the class room,
    Down at the dorm and everywhere,
    Go tell it in the class room,
    That a monkey became a man.

    (chorus)
    When I was a student,
    I studied man night and day.
    I asked Darwin to help me,
    He showed me I came from an Aaaape -------

    Go tell it in the class room,
    Down at the dorm and everywhere,
    Go tell it in the class room,
    That a monkey became a man.

    (Make sure you clap your hands on the Upbeat - one TWO one TWO!

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    Message 89 of 135 (338968)
    08-10-2006 1:26 PM
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    08-09-2006 6:34 PM


    Yeah, but we need a version for maths teachers, too.

    Go tell it in the class room,
    Down at the dorm and everywhere,
    Go tell it in the class room,
    That two and two makes four.

    (chorus)
    When I was a student,
    I studied maths night and day.
    I asked Newton to help me,
    He showed me how to integrate -------

    Go tell it in the class room,
    Down at the dorm and everywhere,
    Go tell it in the class room,
    That two and two makes four.


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    Message 90 of 135 (339098)
    08-10-2006 9:36 PM
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    08-09-2006 6:34 PM


    Hymns to science, eh?

    It seems to me that your idea requires further application. People remember hymns, after all. Whereas they forget science.

    There is a niche to be filled here.

    "In all things wherein heat doth flow"

    In all things wherein heat doth flow
    The change in entropy
    Is greater than the integral
    Of δQ by T.

    Chorus: All praise to Rudolf Clausius
    Who made the world confess
    That in isolated systems
    You'll observe increase in S.

    No engine made of mortal hands
    Can work the mighty feat
    That turneth heat to useful work
    Without some waste of heat.

    Chorus: All praise to Rudolf Clausius
    The founder of our creed
    If you think dS is negative
    You're very wrong indeed.

    Without work done, no heat will flow
    From cooler things to hot.
    (You may think this is possible
    But Rudolf says it's not.)

    Chorus: All praise to Rudolf Clausius
    Our savior and our hero
    Who proved that ΔS must be
    No less at least than 0.

    ------------------------------------

    Now, seriously, could I ask again the question I asked on page 3 of this thread?

    I get told that "evolution is a religion" and that "to believe in evolution requires faith", and, on this thread, that those pesky "evolutionists" "spread the word", that evolution is "messianic", and the implication of your post seems to be that if we're going to teach children evolution we might as well teach them to sing hymns to Darwin.

    There is something about this which puzzles me.

    Again and again, when you're trying to say that evolution is stupid, you compare it to Christianity. It's like you're saying, over and over, "Hah! Evolution! It's as dumb as Christianity!"

    Now if I want to compare something to something ridiculous, I pick on flying pigs. I would never seek to ridicule any propostion that I considered silly by comparing it to the Christian faith.

    Creationists do this all the time.

    In effect, you say of evolution, "How stupid, it's a religion, how stupid, it requires faith, how stupid, the believers "spread the word", how stupid, it's "messianic", how stupid, they might as well be singing hymns, how stupid"; and yet having told everyone how utterly stupid that would be, you would of course wish that they should join a religion which requires faith and spreads the word and is messianic and sings hymns.

    Which you have just explained to them is the hallmark of absurdity.

    I confess, I am puzzled to think what you are trying to achieve by holding up Christianity as the benchmark for ridicule.

    What the heck are you playing at?

    Edited by Dr Adequate, : 'Cos in listing all these weird paradoxes I forgot the actual title of the actual thread ... which makes five.

    Edited by Dr Adequate, : Grammar and such.

    Edited by Dr Adequate, : Missed one.


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