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Author Topic:   The bible and homosexuality: Round 3
MonkeyBoy
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Message 185 of 306 (157632)
11-09-2004 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 177 by PecosGeorge
11-09-2004 8:41 AM


Re: It does
however equate to sex without marriage and that is forbidden as in fornication.
But since "you people" want to make it impossible for gays to marry at all, what are they to do?
Homosexuality is a useless practice in that it does not assure procreation.
Procreation is the primary purpose of sex? I, along with many other men have underwent a vasectomy; according to my doctor, I CANNOT get my wife pregnant. Not because of a disease, illness or anything other than my choice. I choose to have sex because it feels great, it is an experience that my wife and I share together and...did I mention it feels great?
This discussion goes round and round, and at the end of each lap, stands God with 'Adam and Eve I have made them' and nothing other than that.
lol.
Seriously, Phat, Pecos and J_F I have to assume that you are all straight, and with that assumption in mind, what right would an organization have to tell you who you could and could not fall in love with? How can god love gays, but be against gay sex?
Lam and Berberry you have exercised extreme patience;I am a bit of a hot head, and if I were gay, I'd most likely be incarcerated by now for assault.

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MonkeyBoy
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Message 215 of 306 (158643)
11-12-2004 8:07 AM
Reply to: Message 213 by riVeRraT
11-12-2004 5:58 AM


Re: Please
River -
We relate all slavery as being bad, but I don't think it was as bad back then, it was more like a job.
Regardless of the conditions, the gd of the bible did not state that it was wrong to OWN another human; he merely offered "suggestions" to make the slaves life slightly more bearable; but please do not forget, the bottom line is that gd could have stopped a great injustice by allowing slavery to continue; why not simply say, "Thou shall not own another human"?
People these days still sell there children. For food or money.
You then state that this is the fault of men and not god; but why then are the instructions on how to sell your daughter written in the bible?(Exodus 21:7)
Stoning a woman sounds severe, but maybe thats what was needed to keep people in line. It wasn't the only the woman who got stoned. Equal rights, right?
All of there examples no doubt warrant their own spin off topic; but seriously: wtf?
When women have their periods, I don't know, I really don't have an answer. But a lot of women have difficulties functioning normally during this time (PMS) and it is a disruption for those around her as well.
HAHAHAHAHAHA! ! ! ! ! That's the funniest thing I've read in a long time! But really, the instructions are given without a means to distiguish who is on their period; so, how do you know?
Women today still can get punished if the have sex out of wedlock. Only now it comes in the form of VD, and having children without a father and a stable enviroment.
Women? So, the man gets to bang away, creating offspring, and the woman suffers. That's fair. Well, if VD and babies are some of the results of sex outside of marriage (women only?), then I guess lesbians are god's chosen.
No chance of pregnancy and a little to no chance of VD (especially AIDS).
I also do not think that God hates gays, or anyone for that matter. He just doesn't want us to be gay.
Either gays are born gay, or they decide it. Were you born straight, or did you decide it?
Is a gay person any more guilty than someone who steals? Or even me, someone that trys to be sin free, but can't do it completely. None of us are righteous, thats why Jesus came to save us. It definately is a struggle.
I find this a hard thing to swallow; are you saying all sin is considered equally aborrant in the eyes of god and his followers?
All the things you mention are choices that a woman can make. Except the period part.
Rape is a choice? Being sold into slavery was a choice? C'mon now, I don't think you meant that.
But again, in those days who knew how it was. Its not like their was feminine rags back then, or an over abundance of running water, and a place to go wash yourself every 5 minutes. It may have smelled, and been offensive, who knows?
I was wrong before that was the funniest thing I have read in a long time!

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MonkeyBoy
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Message 218 of 306 (158665)
11-12-2004 9:50 AM
Reply to: Message 216 by riVeRraT
11-12-2004 9:04 AM


Re: Please
If your going to fly off the handle about something, at least finish reading my post.
Sorry if it seems like I was flying off the handle, I seemed to me that you were blaming women when sex (hetero) happens outside of marriage.
This is an oversimplification of an extremely complicated subject. Your comparison is irrelevant.
It is a complicated issue, but it seems insane to to me that a person would choose a lifestyle that would be persecuted by virtually everyone; the gay sex cannot be that great!
Was your mother a father?
What does this mean?
The answer is no; but what does the question mean?
We are born not desiring anything of sex until we are older, so it is your development in life that dictates who you are, and what you like.
Therein lies the dispute; is there a point at which you (or anyone you have known, read about) that after they developed sexually, looked at both male AND female and 'decided' to be attracted to the opposite sex?
I never said rape was a choice, we were talking about screaming during the act. If a woman chooses not to scream it is a sign that she is enjoying it, thats what they mean in the bible.
Enjoying it? I find that pretty sick. There could be a variety of reasons why a woman would not scream while being raped; I don't thing enjoyment would be one of them.
(edited to add 'not' to above sentence)
This message has been edited by MonkeyBoy, 11-12-2004 09:55 AM

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