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Topic: What led you to God?
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Re: my story
nor should you. salvation is not measured in years nor the maturity of knowledge and understanding. i know people who move their birthday.
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macaroniandcheese 
Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Re: my story
*dies* i can't say that i was quite alive before i became a christian.. but that's cause i was three an i wasn't really sentient until this year or something. but i would not be willing to discount all the knowledge or experience i had gained prior had i become a christian at an older age.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
i was referring to the christian cross not the hindu cross, and you know that. So was I. I'm sorry, were you under the impression that the crux gammata originated in Hindu cultures? It's a Christian symbol as well, you know. It's a cross. Just, a different kind of cross, like the Cross of Lorraine or the cross of the Russion Orthodox church. All Christian crosses, just different kinds of Christian crosses.
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Message 64 of 300 (268865)
12-13-2005 3:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 63 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 3:43 PM
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Message 65 of 300 (268867)
12-13-2005 3:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 56 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 1:45 PM
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
The swastika is a cross. It's also known as the "crux gammata", the "sun cross", and the "cross cramponny". The Germans called it the "hakenkreuz": "hooked cross." the swastika is not a cross -- although the similarity of symbols was intentional. the swastika is an indian symbol, and its name comes from sanskrit. you know this, crash. what's why one of the popular motifs of german underground propaganda was jesus on or carrying a swastika -- saying that this does not represent jesus, but the oppressors. nazism looked up to the roman empire under ceasar, not the holy roman empire under constantine. something being SOLD a particular way does not make it fact. This message has been edited by arachnophilia, 12-13-2005 03:52 PM
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
the swastika is not a cross -- although the similarity of symbols was intentional. the swastika is an indian symbol, and its name comes from sanskrit. you know this, crash. I know that the word swastika comes from sanskrit, and basically means "small lucky thing", but the symbol itself is nearly universal among the iconography of all cultures. Among those different cultures, which invented the same symbol individually, the symbol went under several different names, but is almost universally referred to as a cross. For instance, the "crux gammata". What do you think that means? "Cross of gammas", referring to how each arm looks like the letter gamma. Hitler chose the symbol he did, and borrowed the word swastika from Hindi, because his Aryan philosophy venerated the Indian Vedics. But the symbol is not by any means unique to Hindu culture, nor is it unknown among Christian iconography, having been an auspicious or significant symbol in every culture in which it has arisen. In time, the symbol aquired the meaning it has to this day - the very unauspicious association with Nazis. Hence your example of it in your underground literature. But that was some time in coming. Just as alternative crosses have been used to reference Christianity, the crux gammata has filled that role in the past, as well.
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 508 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Message 67 of 300 (268893)
12-13-2005 4:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 66 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 4:19 PM
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
My high school English teacher once told me that she thought one of the nazis' most unrecognized crimes was to ruin the image of symbol.
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
mean- deleted. This message has been edited by crashfrog, 12-13-2005 04:51 PM
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coffee_addict
Member (Idle past 508 days) Posts: 3645 From: Indianapolis, IN Joined: 03-29-2004
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Message 69 of 300 (268901)
12-13-2005 4:51 PM
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Reply to: Message 68 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 4:46 PM
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
I said "unrecognized" crime. Since when were the crimes you spoke of unrecognized?
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crashfrog
Member (Idle past 1498 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: 03-20-2003
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
Eh, I was being a dick. You didn't deserve it. Sorry, it's been stressful around the lily pad these days.
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Message 71 of 300 (268905)
12-13-2005 5:06 PM
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Reply to: Message 70 by crashfrog
12-13-2005 5:01 PM
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Re: Ask your preacher where these guys are now, pt.2
froggie on the rag?
*pats head*
it'll be okay, dear. life bites us all sometimes.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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can we all cut this out now?
this has nothing to do with the topic, and i'm tired of this stupid debate anyways. (and why aren't you online?)
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Re: can we all cut this out now?
i suggested opening a new thread but was late to an appointment and couldn't do it. not my fault no one else volunteered.
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arachnophilia
Member (Idle past 1375 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: 05-21-2004
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Re: can we all cut this out now?
you know of course that no one will get the title.
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macaroniandcheese
Suspended Member (Idle past 3959 days) Posts: 4258 Joined: 05-24-2004
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Re: can we all cut this out now?
you nazi shithead. This message has been edited by brennakimi, 12-13-2005 07:15 PM
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