good things bad things. what does God really do?

'As far as God's plans being good ones, I have to take exception to that'Did you miss the part where I was talking about God with us, or Jesus?
When God was with us he healed diseases e.t.c. I still see him healing today, so why is he the bad guy?
All I have heard so far is people complaining about bad things,and pretending there is no good things. Like I say, God's intentions are good, if I believe in him, and KNOW this, where as you don't believe him, how can you be right when you don't know him, where as I do. Remember, you are talking about my God, not yours, or do you believe in him?[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-16-2003]

Mike I get the feeling you are not listening....... Why do good people who how have 100% faith and love who pray for help and others pray for them, And they Die a slow and very painful death? What reason could a god have to do this? Please don't hand the stuff like "he must have a reason" , "he works in mysterious ways" or "How can we comprehend Gods reasons?" Thats just a load! You are just avoiding the question. Give me an answer without something like this. Don't repeat " God's intentions are good" how do we know? how can you tell? Do you not live in the same world as I do?
from where I am standing your God is sadistic. So please do explain this to me.... I would like to think other wise

'100% faith and love who pray for help and others pray for them, And they Die a slow and very painful death? What reason could a god have to do this?'Well, if you had listened you would know my answer. Again , have you forgotten what I said about disease?
You say what reason could God have to do this, i do not hold God responsible. My God, (who I know) heals such like diseases. I am not saying 'God has his reasons' I am saying he is not for blame.'" God's intentions are good" how do we know? how can you tell? Do you not live in the same world as I do?'Well I live in the same world, but am totally different from you.
I know because I know God and he knows me, do you know him? Do you believe in him. This is your opinion, whereas I have only told you what God says in his word, (and does) . The sufferings in this life are not worthy to the glory that will be revealed in us. Also I have answered concerning God's healings. I am not going to say ' well God has his way'because I am not like the people who have told you this. They think you can accuse God, and then that will mean he doesn't exist- nonsense, I have already explained.
And besides all this, where does disease originate - since sin came in, in my opinion. And who pays for this sin, nevertheless? so do NOT accuse my God![This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-17-2003][This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-17-2003]

I know because I know God and he knows me, do you know him? Is that "know" in the biblical sense?

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Lovecraft never mentioned the Deep Ones' biting sense of sarcasm....

Mike, thanks for your reply.
DC85 started this thread by asking a very good question' "why does bad things happen to good people?"; semantics aside, the intent of the question remains valid. If God does heal today, why aren't ALL healed? Or more to the point, why aren't his followers healed, while those that do not believe keep going on? It seems unjust and arbitrary; and no, I do not know any god, but that doesn't mean that I have to know him/her/it in order to see that it would be very inconsistant for a good and loving god to act that way.
Going back the trilemma, if god can stop evil, why doesn't he?

'If God does heal today, why aren't ALL healed? Or more to the point, why aren't his followers healed,'well, people are healed,those who believe and recieve do achieve, healing. Many many, many testimonies, I have heard, possibly hundreds from people .', I do not know any god, but that doesn't mean that I have to know him'Well, if you want to be healed, you do have to change that.

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well, people are healed,those who believe and recieve do achieve, healing.

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So if you get sick, it's because you're an evil, sinful person, doing that thing that makes god vomit?You didn't answer the question. Let's try it again, shall we?If god does heal today, why aren't [I][B]ALL[/i][/b] healed?There are devout people who still get sick, never to be healed. Why don't these pious, deserving people get god's blessing?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!

Mike, for every testimony of a believer being healed, I can provide at least one of a believer that did not get healed. Were they lacking in faith? (Of course there is really no way to answer this, but only in the interest of discussion) Were they entrenched in some sin that they haven't repented of? Is it not god's will to heal them at that time? Seems as if there is no way to know.Not to stray too far off topic, but this has always stuck in my mind; Why do the "faith healers" have the ability to heal other, yet they themselves are in need of healing? (i.e., many wear glasses, are overweight, health problems, etc.)

'So if you get sick, it's because you're an evil, sinful person, doing that thing that makes god vomit?'That is NOT what I said, what a lack of understanding of sin you do have. I said disease is from sin, a deteriorating world with sin and disease, which satan can use against us. But Jesus heals the sick, is he divided against himself? your logic, I do not understand!'If god does heal today, why aren't ALL healed?''And lo, a spirit taketh him, and he suddenly crieth out,'
'And I besought thy disciples to cast him out;and they could not.
And Jesus answering said, o faithless and perverse generation, how long shall I be with you, and suffer you? Bring thy son hither.'
Luke 9:39if God does heal today?, yes if he does,he does.But not everyone has faith![This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-17-2003]

'Mike, for every testimony of a believer being healed, I can provide at least one of a believer that did not get healed. Were they lacking in faith?'Jesus says 'unbelief' is a problem, yes. But what about the testimonies? who can explain them? even the doctors admitt to miracles. Besides, I obviously don't know completely, i can only go on God's word, however I don't know everything.

Mike, don't get started. I've seen dyed in the wool prostheletizing chrisians come down with wasting diseases, that eventually take their lives. Innocent children, not a sin in their system, praying to God every night like their parents taught them, catch horrible diseases and die.*Devout Christians Do Not Have Any Lower Incidence Of Wasting Diseases Than Non-Christians*Nor do they have any better rate of being cured.Visit a cancer ward some time. Talk to the people about God and their prayer. Come back a year later. Ask whose still alive.------------------
"Illuminant light,
illuminate me."

Forgive me, but do you still not understand!I DO NOT THINK GOD CAUSES DISEASE AND ILLNESS
satan, however is mentioned in the bible,do I have to write this in stone?I know innocent children die, I do NOT want them to!!!!! But I know Christ heals things like cancer and illness. Please read message 25, if you still don't understand then I will begin to worry.[This message has been edited by mike the wiz, 09-17-2003]

I realize that you (nor anyone) knows everything, but I'm asking only according to your belief.
As far as testimonies, yes, there are many people that have have diseases go into spontaneous remission; my cousin, was one of those people. Alas, 4 years later, they (Myasthenia Gravis and Multiple Sclerosis) came back. He is still a practicing minister, and has not lost faith as a result. I just wonder "why"; for if every christian was healed (except of old age which if nothing else, we will all eventually die from) then that alone would convince many people. But when the bible says "if you have faith as small as a mustard seed, etc." then why aren't more people healed? If it is an issue of lack of faith, isn't that impossible to determine for everyone except god?

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Literally, no, but it is the point of your claim. You even repeat it in your response:

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In other words, if you get sick, it's because you're an evil, sinful person, doing that thing that makes god vomit.

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your logic, I do not understand!

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That doesn't answer the question. Let's try again, shall we?If god does heal today, why aren't [I][B]ALL[/I][/b] healed?

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yes if he does,he does.But not everyone has faith!

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So why aren't the faithful healed? Why do the most devout, faithful, pious people still get stricken with incurable disease?If god does heal today, why aren't [I][B]ALL[/I][/b] healed?------------------
Rrhain
WWJD? JWRTFM!