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Author Topic:   Why does God need to be worshipped?
Straggler
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Message 7 of 64 (467136)
05-19-2008 6:34 PM
Reply to: Message 5 by Grizz
05-19-2008 5:56 PM


Experience?
What could a being that is Infinite and perfect possibly gain from the actions of inferior beings that are imperfect and finite?
Experience?
Does omniscience preclude the need for actual experience?
Is it the same to "know" everything as to have experienced everything?
If not, then it would seem that the missing piece of the jigsaw for an omnipotent, omniscient being would be to use their omnipotence and omniscience to go about becoming "omniexperient".
Just a thought.
I'm just back from the pub so don't take anything I say at the moment too seriously

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Straggler
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Message 19 of 64 (467239)
05-20-2008 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by iano
05-20-2008 8:50 AM


I'm not sure that it's accurate to say that God needs people to worship him. Where did you get the notion that he did?
Organised religion almost invariably implies this to be necessary and desired by God.
The reason why some people worship God is simple enough. They want to express their unreserved love/devotion/admiration of God.
Maybe. It may also be because they have been brainwashed into thinking it necessary by organised religion and family/social traditions that arise out of organised religion.
Prayers before bedtime, grace before meals, Church on a Sunday. Are these traditions being followed because people have an enthusiasm and desire to show their glorious love and devotion to God? Or because that it is what they are 'supposed' to do?

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Straggler
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Message 21 of 64 (467396)
05-21-2008 12:38 PM
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05-21-2008 5:04 AM


Notions
Whatever about that, this is about Gods supposed needs. The question stands.
You asked where the writer of the OP specifically (and presumably others with the same view) had got the notion that God wants to be worshipped.
I suggested that this notion came from the fact that organised religion strongly and repeatedly suggests that God does want to be worshipped.
For most of us the 'notions' of what God does or does not want us to do come directly or indirectly from organised religion.
The question stands.
So does the answer.
In your opinion does God want to be worshipped?
In your opinion why does organised religion seem so hell bent on such worship?

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Straggler
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Message 28 of 64 (467499)
05-22-2008 3:04 AM
Reply to: Message 23 by iano
05-21-2008 4:42 PM


Re: Notions
Which doesn't really tell us from whence the notion of God's need came from. It might be that I want a cream cake. It doesn't mean I need one.
Sorry to be pedantic but I don't recognise 'organised religion' saying that God needs anything at all. If anything it would say that God needs nothing at all from us.
Ah I see. You are splitting hairs regarding want and need in a way that I had indeed not taken into account. My apologies.
It seems to me that whichever of these two words the OP used the general gist of the question relates to why God would possibly care one way or the other as to whether he is worshipped or not. Why would he want (or need) such a thing?
Yet organised religion and the various books on which they are based all seem to demand that God be worshipped.
I am far from an expert in the bible but it has always seemed to me to be quite hot on the idea of worshipping God. If the bible is indeed the source from which we are to determine our actions with regard to God then it would seem to indicate that God does want us to worship him.
Why would he want this?

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Straggler
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Message 32 of 64 (467590)
05-22-2008 5:32 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by iano
05-22-2008 5:02 PM


Re: Notions
So basically worship is for our own benefit rather than God's, is ultimately what you are saying?
(Unsurprsingly) I remain personally unconvinced but looked at from the point of view of a believer what you are saying makes a degree of sense. Certainly more so than the idea of God requiring, needing or wanting to be worshipped.
As a father myself what I would ultimately want for my children is for them to achieve a level of independence that allows them to function in the world as individuals and who can take responsibility for their own families in years to come.
I appreciate that given my finite time here independence plays a greater part in my thinking than it might do God's......
However producing 'children' that are permanently so dependent on their 'father' seems somehow....I dunno......"unhealthy"?
If we accept that worship of God is for our own benefit then the questions that needs to be asked are - Why would God make us so needy? Why would he create us such that we remain so dependent on his presence? Doesn't this display a slightly narcissistic bent on the part of God?

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