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Author Topic:   Corrupting the Old Testament at all costs?
arachnophilia
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Message 46 of 121 (175395)
01-10-2005 3:07 AM
Reply to: Message 44 by mike the wiz
01-09-2005 8:47 PM


Re: Irrefutable mike strikes
But I have read Isaiah, and am convinced it prophecizes Christ. Only blinding my eyes could change that.
the old virgin-mother immanuel bit? it's been popular on this baord recently. but it doesn't change the fact that the prophesy doesn't say virgin, is given to ahaz regarding assyria, is fulfilled a few chapters later, and for christsakes IS NOT ABOUT THE CHILD. the child is an indicator of time, a sign given, but not the prophesied event in itself.
God promised that David would always have a descendant on his throne (Jeremiah 23:5-6, 1 Chronicles 17:10-14).
except for, you know, that whole exile thing.
This caused a 'problem' since Joseph, the supposed 'father' of Jesus, was a descendant of Jeconiah. If Joseph had been Jesus' biological father, Jesus would have had the legal right to the throne, but would have been unable to occupy it due to being under Jeconiah's curse.
take this to the cursed lineage thread. that is exactly what it's about. however, i suspect that it's just a case of contradiction. no big deal. also:
quote:
1Ti 1:4 Neither give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: [so do].
i do like paul SOME of the time.
a descendant of David through another son, Nathan. So Jesus has the right to sit on the eternal throne of David legally, through his adoptive father, Joseph; and physically, through His natural mother, Mary. In this way, God's promise, mentioned above in Jeremiah and Chronicles, was fulfilled
except that solomon was king, not nathan. nathan is not in line for kingship, and would not have been unless solomon died before having an heir. and even then, by tradition, he'd be required to impregnate solomon's wife, and the child would be solomon's, not his. and he would be king, not nathan. so no, nathan is not a valid member in the line of kings.
the line of kings also cannot pass through the mother, which is what this suggests. which isn't really a problems, since the luke indicates that heli was joseph's (or maybe even jesus's) father, but NOT mary's.
AIG.
STILL not a source to be trusted.

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arachnophilia
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Message 47 of 121 (175397)
01-10-2005 3:13 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Brian
01-07-2005 5:07 PM


Re: Davidic Sperm
I think it would make sense for Christians to accept that the author of Matthew made a boob when he misunderstood Isaiah 7:14, then there is no problem with a bloodline.
i'm fine with that. matthew makes mistakes all the time. i mean, he has jesus ride into jerusalem on two animals, just to fulfill misread prophesy. is that even possible?
But to deny the virgin birth is to deny fertilisation by the Holy Spirit, and I think most christians would not do that.
strangely, i have no problem with this. but i am not your typical christian.
But, there are other 'prophecies' that have been invented by the author of Matthew that make his testimony less than reliable.
i wouldn't call them invented. no, he quotes actual texts, many of which we have. it's quite clear matthew was reading isaiah, and zechariah, and psalms. rather, it's just plain old fashioned error. he applies prophesy to improper context, or reads it wrong, or sometimes even reads non-prophetic stuff as being prophesy (psalms ≠ prophesy!)

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