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Author Topic:   Biblical instructions for translation?
portmaster1000
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Message 1 of 28 (125283)
07-17-2004 3:25 PM


As I've read through many of the topics on these forums, especially Faith & Belief and The Bible: Accuracy and Inerrancy, I've noticed much debate about the different translations of the Bible. I was wondering if the Bible itself speaks to this subject? Does it give any sort of direction on how it's passages should be translated between the various languages of the world?
Languages have emerged, died and changed since much of the Bible was written. I would guess than many of us don't speak a language closely related to Hebrew or Greek. Is there anything in it's books that suggest how to keep it's original meanings intact through the generations? If the Bible is divinely inspired and supposed to speak to people across several millennium there should be strong guidelines for potential translations.
Just Wondering
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portmaster1000
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Message 5 of 28 (125356)
07-17-2004 11:55 PM
Reply to: Message 3 by Buzsaw
07-17-2004 4:26 PM


Not making additions or subtractions, as mandated in Revelation, can definitely be seen as a good baseline for future translators. These verses, however, are more of a precaution than a guideline.
buzsaw writes:
The words nearest to the most reliable Greek and Hebrew manuscripts in any given language should be implemented in originating a text.
Are there any verses that address methods for translating as you mention it? Verses to test reliability of said manuscripts?
I'm no etymologist and am unsure of how the nearest words would be determined. Do we have an ancient equalivent to Websters? Any good sites that explain this process?
thanx
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portmaster1000
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Message 10 of 28 (125696)
07-19-2004 2:02 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by Buzsaw
07-18-2004 12:36 AM


Early Church Guidelines?
Appears that there are no guidelines, persay, in the Biblical books themselves, but did the early church set down any rules? In view of the "Great Commission", I would have thought translating God's Word would have been a very important issue. From a modern day perspective, it looks like a standard for translating would have been needed to keep different versions consistent. I would call it "quality control" today but I'm not sure what it might have been referred back then.
What I'm basically interested what kind of correction system has been used through the development of the versions/translations of the Bible. Blame a Biblical "Question of the Day" calendar for my curiosity
thanx
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portmaster1000
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Message 11 of 28 (125697)
07-19-2004 2:04 PM
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07-18-2004 2:45 AM


I'm not at all familar with the Talmud. Any interesting sites to start learning about it?
thanx
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portmaster1000
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Message 14 of 28 (125804)
07-19-2004 10:33 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by jar
07-19-2004 2:08 PM


Re: Early Church Guidelines?
jar writes:
look nice and be impressive
Seems that guideline has been upheld. Modern Bibles are very nice books (leather bound, gold edges, wonderful fonts, etc).
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ps: Does your user name refer to "Mason" or perhaps "Java"?

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portmaster1000
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Message 17 of 28 (126796)
07-22-2004 11:04 PM
Reply to: Message 16 by arachnophilia
07-20-2004 5:38 AM


Bible's Lifespan?
What was God's plan for the development of His Word in relation to the many generations of humans that would need to read it (or at least be taught from it) to avoid eternal damnation through accepting it?
Arachnophilia writes:
I'm not sure there is a correct translation/interpretation/copy/etc.
If God wanted to ensure the maximum number of salvations I personally would have thought He would have developed an optimal, ie "most correct", method of translating? That method could have been incorporated directly into the Bible. These instructions would have insured ALL translations were correct in meaning. In fact, the very essence of such a translation method would have spoke volumes about the foresight of the Bible. Being able to account for language development, even new languages, would surely be something only accomplished by God Himself. A Biblical translation manual would have shown that from the very earliest writings, the future of the Bible was planned by a higher power. However, may I'm seeing this situation from the wrong angle.
Perhaps having no real directions for translation relates another message. God has to depend on mankind to preserve His Word, just as He depends upon us to spread His Word. We have been entrusted with His wisdom and must strive diligently to keep it intact. For if this wondrous communication is lost... then so are we.
thanx
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portmaster1000
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Message 19 of 28 (126945)
07-23-2004 10:05 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by arachnophilia
07-23-2004 2:19 AM


Re: Bible's Lifespan?
Arachnophilia writes:
I think god loves all his children. and since we supposedly have free will, god intervening and forcing us to say certain things about him kind of violates that.
Excellent point and one I had not considered. Let me see if I fully understand what you are saying. Does your statement imply that a God-mandated translation law compromises free will?
thanx
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portmaster1000
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Message 25 of 28 (128350)
07-28-2004 10:18 AM
Reply to: Message 24 by doctrbill
07-27-2004 11:02 PM


Re: Bible's Lifespan?
doctrbill writes:
Sir: You speak as if your God is dead!
Dead? I did not intend to imply a "divine fatality".
I was merely trying to look at the problem from a different angle. I personally see the lack of any biblical translation guidance as something of a quandary.
doctrbill writes:
This silly conflict makes 'His people' look like quarrelsome idiots.
God possesses perfect knowledge of the future and we have many descriptions in the Bible of prophets being privy to that knowledge. The prophets knowledge of the future comes directly from God. In all this exposure of the future, God never reveals any bit of linguistic knowledge that would prevent your astute observation of this most silly conflict from arising.
doctrbill writes:
P.S. Do you really believe we are saved through faith in the Bible?
The Bible teaches that salvation occurs through believe in Jesus Christ as a personal lord and savior. The Bible itself is the pathway or guide to that salvation. If translating the Bible has been left to human hands without any written divine instructions is the Bible in it's current form truly an optimal guide?
thanx
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portmaster1000
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Message 27 of 28 (128376)
07-28-2004 12:10 PM
Reply to: Message 26 by doctrbill
07-28-2004 10:27 AM


From: YHWH@ZION.ORG?
doctrbill writes:
The only solution I see for this self imposed (by believers) dilemma is for the deity to stay in touch. After all, how difficult could it be for him to make a simple phone call or send us an email?
I'm not sure the email would make it through a normal spam filter.
Just a thought - Wouldn't prayer be seen as God staying in touch? Afterall it's defined as communion with God. However, praying is not the same as reading a written communique (not even close IMHO).
doctrbill writes:
Why not simply stay in touch with his people and give timely advice, to every culture and language, in wartime and peacetime, until everyone sees the wisdom of his words?
Good question. That solution would seem be a much better than having to constantly rewrite/revise for new generations.
thanx
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