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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 145 of 167 (209142)
05-17-2005 7:28 PM
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01-07-2005 12:49 AM


Re: SUMMARY of on topic responses so far:
RAZD: What is the evolutionary advantage to religion?
Are you insulting TEists or am I not understanding this ?
Ray M.

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Message 148 of 167 (209169)
05-17-2005 9:08 PM
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05-17-2005 8:30 PM


Re: SUMMARY of on topic responses so far:
why do we have religion: what is the advantage that religion gives that ensures it's survival?
Existence of the Deity ?
RM

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Message 150 of 167 (209179)
05-17-2005 9:33 PM
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01-07-2005 12:49 AM


Re: SUMMARY of on topic responses so far:
For the purveyor of snake oil, the fruits of other peoples legitimate labours (Contracycle, #4)
Secular rant.
Religion is a quick and easy way to get a moral system going in order to have a working society.(Lam, #7)
Show me a quick and easy religion ?
Unheard of cults do not count.
when those individuals are faithful and are working together cohesively, the group or society will be stronger and better protected from outside threats (Thor, #49)
Logical.
Religion if anything provides justification for genocide. (Quetzal, #76)
Then what excuse did the Marxists of the Soviet Union, China, and Southeast Asia have ? (100 million murdered in the 20th century)
Of course, Marxist is a euphemism in this case.
relatively stupid, unified people, fearing things and avoiding what they do not understand as opposed to taming them (in both physical and philosophical terms)may well be better equipped for the stoicism required for survival (Sisyphus, #82)
Predictible Darwinian rant.
males are dominant and aggressive and try to find ways to control the females ... some religions have formed ways to "control" females. (PerfectDeath, #92)
But if we descend from apes/gorillas.....
sex usually works for me to reduce anxiety, (and maybe for the bonobos too?) ... one wonders how close "religious experience" is to sexual physionomic response ... (RAZD, #132)
As old as the prostitutes who gave themself in the Temple of Diana.
RM

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Message 151 of 167 (209180)
05-17-2005 9:35 PM
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05-17-2005 9:12 PM


Re: SUMMARY of on topic responses so far:
Are you saying that belief in a God that exists provides a selective advantage in this lifetime? By what mechanism?
Define "selective" in this context ?
RM

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Message 154 of 167 (209186)
05-17-2005 9:50 PM
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05-17-2005 9:44 PM


Re: SUMMARY of on topic responses so far:
I made an observation.
RM

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Message 158 of 167 (209194)
05-17-2005 10:16 PM
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05-17-2005 9:59 PM


Re: SUMMARY of on topic responses so far:
I'll try to restate, to make things clearer. Are you saying that the evolutionary advantage to religion is that you believe in a true God that exists, and therefore that God will somehow make it more likely that you'll survive and reproduce in this lifetime? And if you are saying this, then by what mechanism (i.e. how) does God do that?
By ensuring your attempts at procreation will be successful.
The God of the Bible: "Be fruitful and multiply".
How does God do it ?
Genesis 38: 9,10
And Onan knew that the seed should not be his; and it came to pass, when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest that he should give seed to his brother.
And the thing which he did displeased the LORD: wherefore he slew him also.
This passage exists within the context of God's promise to Abraham - that his descendants would be as numerous as the stars of heaven and the sand on the seashore.
Blowing your climax on the ground instead of inside the oven (when you knew what God wanted) got Onan killed.
This is one method to ensure impregnation
RM
This message has been edited by Ray Martinez, 05-17-2005 07:16 PM

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Message 160 of 167 (209203)
05-17-2005 10:51 PM
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05-17-2005 10:31 PM


Re: SUMMARY of on topic responses so far:
But I'm a bit confused by your argument. Are you saying that this happened only in the past, and that this type of event "selected" believers to a degree that a significant part of the population became believers?
Yes.
The pool of offspring were more protected than a "heathen" pool.
The Abrahamic pool was promised to numerically become as the "stars of heaven/sand on seashore."
This analogy makes one of the following population groups Abraham's descendants:
1) Africans
2) Chinese
3) Slavic
4) Celtic
Other designated attributes of these peoples identify the Celts as the descendants of Abraham.
It is historical fact that the Celtic nations, namely, Great Britain and the U.S. are repsonsible for evangelizing the world.
Or are you saying this kind of thing still goes on today?
To a certain degree - yes.
And if it's not still going on today, do you think there's an evolutionary advantage religion to religion today? If so, what's the mechanism?
Don't really understand your question.
But the mechanism above is the Deity being in control.
RM

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