Evolution Disproven.

I will delete account "Creationist" and ban the associated email. Only one registration is permitted per person. You wouldn't also happen to be Creationist-IIS?--Percy
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To the evolutionists: Is it really any fun hitting home runs off a little leaguer?To TC: You get an attaboy! To RvX: If the topic really interests you, hang in there. --Percy
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While reading the posts I sensed an overall misunderstanding of how the Big Bang is really understood, so I thought I'd post a few words.The universe began with all matter concentrated in a space smaller than an atom at an inconceivably high temperature, and it immediately began a rapid expansion. The laws of physics at such high densities and temperatures are not well understood, but it is thought that the everyday particles we're familiar with, the proton, the neutron and the electron, as well as a host of less familiar particles, did not exist at that point. Matter in these very early stages consisted solely of quarks. There are different types of quarks, and the various types combine in different ways to create the more familiar particles.After a short period of expansion the universe cooled to the point where quarks could condense into protons, neutrons, electrons and other particles. At this point in time the universe was still fairly homogenous, just a huge extremely hot cloud of elementary particles which still hadn't combnied to form any elements. For example, the simplest and most common element in the universe is hydrogen, comprised of a single electron orbiting a single proton, but temperatures were still too high for hydrogen to form and remain stable.After another period of expansion the universe cooled some more and hydrogen, helium and a very few other elements condensed out of the cloud. At this point we still have just a fairly homogenous cloud of simple elements. I'm going from memory, but I think scientists believe the universe was about 300,000 years old at this point.I'm skipping a lot of issues to keep this simple, but the important point to note is that there were no solid bodies in existence at the time of the Big Bang or for a long time thereafter on which to impart any type of spin or motion. Stars and planets didn't begin forming until much later.--Percy

RvX writes:

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Charles Darwin even admitted that he was randomly throwing out theories and that evolution "could not be true..."

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Actually, this is true. Charles Darwin's entire life was a fraud. When he was supposedly on the HMS Beagle sailing around the world gathering geological and biological specimens and observations, he was actually a derelict on the London wharves, too ashamed to admit he'd missed embarkation due to an extended nighttime escapade.When the Beagle finally returned, and fortunately members of the ship's crew had gathered specimen's here and there on the journey, Darwin bribed everyone to say that he'd actually been aboard, including Captain Fitzroy. In fact, over the ensuing years as Fitzroy watched Darwin advance his career through lies and fabrications he became distraught and desperate because of his role in the cover-up and eventually committed suicide.Darwin faked his death because he could see no other way out of an unhappy marriage, and he also found it convenient to disappear because of fears that his enemies were finally catching on to his duplicitous schemes. Who is actually buried beneath Darwin's stone in Westminster Abbey is a mystery, but no doubt it is someone Darwin himself murdered, adding one more to the list of his crimes.Darwin finished his days in anonymity on the streets of London, except for one occasion when he marched into Westminster Abbey, and jumping up and down on his own grave denounced evolution as a fraud and himself as worse than the devil, and this is the origin of the information RvX has kindly provided. When Darwin finally died he was buried in a pauper's grave, the actual whereabouts unknown to this day.Moral: Anyone can make up stories.Lesson: Have evidence for what you believe.--Percy

Any evolutionists who thinks this level of discussion is worth your time, well (shaking his head)...But tons of brownie points to anyone who makes actual progress. For a minute it looked like RvX was going to listen to TC, but I guess not.I'll watch from the sidelines. --Percy

Hate? I don't think anyon here takes Hovind seriously enough to hate him. What your sensing is incredulousness and frustration that there are still people out there ignorant enough to buy his many lines of malarkey.Take just the retrograde motion item of Venus and Neptune. Hovind's statements were so far off the mark as to defy belief. The Big Bang, which took place roughly 15 billion years ago, has nothing to do with Venus or Neptune, which only condensed from the solar nebula about 4.5 billion years ago.What would you think of someone who claimed detailed knowledge of Christianity but thought the immaculate conception was just a really clean idea? Hovind is *that* ignorant about science, yet he apparently has a wide following. He explores depths of ignorance where few have ventured.Whether or not evolution is valid, Hovind is a loon.You can listen to TC or not, though I think it would be a good idea if you did. He's a Creationist like yourself who has learned a lot about science but still doesn't accept evolution or an ancient earth and universe. Rejecting evolution doesn't mean rejecting all science.--Percy