Some Evidence Against Evolution

Willowtree is playing you guys. A few insincere compliments, and you are all eating out of his hand. It is not difficult to see where he is coming from:Forums like can often be the birthplace of questioning and critical thought which is a great threat to the belief of a fundamentalist Christian. Some Creationists, like Willowtree no doubt, merely surf the web reciting Creationst misinformation and nonsense to attempt to keep the flame burning. It's all about repeating the same nonsense without actually analysing or thinking about the issues.Willowtree doesn't want to learn: he wants to perpetuate the mantra to other Christians that may be reading and may be swayed by the evidence posted.Just check out Willowtree's latest response:- A few empty compliments to make out he is a nice guy
- Totally avoids addressing the evidence posted previously
- Questions your conclusions derived from the evidence without actually pointing out why
- Refers to Richard Milton yet again, despite what has been posted above
- Ends with a set on nonsensical statements, icluding my favourite: "I reject evolution on the basis that it does not make sense BECAUSE it refuses to seat God as a possibilty at the creation table". How does Evolution fail to make sense because it doesn't refer to God????You are not and never will score points against the likes of Willowtree: he is a lost cause and he is not even reading your posts.You actual cause are those Christians who read these forums also, who can observe the disparity between the rationality of contributors like Willowtree and almost all of the other posters. They are a very worthy cause.

Willowtree's last reply to Darwinsterrier, ignores every point raised and every question asked by Darwinsterrier except for the provision of a passage from the Bible.The guy is a crank.

I do not normally contribute: just lurk and learn. I do not have the immense discipline that other posters show when dealing with Creationists, and for that I apologise.You state:
"I do read the posts how could you say this ?I fully know and realize that nobody is going to listen to a person that ignores the input of others.True, I have not responded to the degree that the replies deserve but you make it sound like the one way street of Soviet detente.I have not been able to expand on the general posts and replies that I have generated because to do so would be vacating the subject of the topic too far.My quarrel is with scientism, and that branch of science readily admits that they have no use for God.Why don't you be specific and tell me what evidence I have ignored ?"Well "scientism" and it's use for God is outside the realm of the this topic, but these aren't and you have ignored them:You have proven yourself to be a person that does not listen and ignores the input of others. Evidence and questions that you have ignored:
1. Message 22. Message 33. Message 74. Message 165. Message 176. Message 187. Message 208. Message 229. Message 3310. Message 3611. Message 3712. Message 4213. Message 5414. Message 5615. Message 7115. Message 7416. Message 7517. Message 7718. Message 7819. Message 8020. Message 81You've ignored the fossil evidence presented to you. You've ignored the evidence presented about Mr Milton's veracity as a credible source. You've ignored something in the realms of 50 questions put to you that are directly relevant to the conclusions that can be drawn from the evidence.The conslusions drawn from the evidences presented in these message threads is that the fossil records support the theory of evolution (and the premise that Milton is a crank). Would you like to rebut the former with "cutting edge arguments of creationists"? I'd wager that there isn't an individual on this site that fears such an onslaught.What other conclusions do the fossil records support?You have once again missed, in your post above, an opportunity to address any of the evidence and questions put to you; but now here is your chance. Go for it.Prove to me that you are not merely here to spout Creationist mantra and are prepared to engage in reasoned debate.

A short while ago I did a Google serahc of Logidemic, and the only hit I got across the entire WWW was Willow's post on evcforum.I re-iterate my point that Willow is still constantly evading questions and challenges put to him and in return merely using this forum as a means to promulgate his beliefs. His evidence against evolution are the words of a discredited source, Milton, he has no answer for the evidence of evolution put to him and he continually resorts to spouting about conspirarcy theories.The latter conspiracy theories remind me of those theories made up by similar totalitarianisms in history in order to instill fear and give followers their "Nemisis".I am again totally impressed by the responses to Willow's posts and the discipline shown by those who post them. I thank the similarly minded people responsible for producing talkorigins.com: I owe a debt to those guys and gals for liberating my mind from the intellectual opression I experienced growing up as a Revivalist Christian.I still try hard to maintain a personal experience with a divine character, but this is clouded by the lies and thought control techniques I endured for 18 years and the subsequent dissillusionment.I am hoping by studying as much as I can about the world around me that one day I might also be able to help people escape this intellectual, and spiritual oppression. As I stated above though, it will take me some time to develop your levels of patience and tolerance (these fools stole my mind and soul for 18 years).I thank you all so much.I'd like to think that Willow might also be able to reconcile his religion with reality. He states that is still at school (?), but responds like my old wizzened church elders used to: which makes me very suspicious. I remember the feigned air of tolerance to questions, total avoidance (or appeals to faith) of difficult ones, constant descent into intellectually useless apologetics, and extraoridanry evasiveness. I still remember the uncomfortable smiles, the condescending tones and I especially remember how quick they were to anger, being "men of God" as they were.Willow, could you ever acknowledge the chance that you have also been lied to for so very long?

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