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robinrohan
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Message 16 of 300 (341918)
08-21-2006 12:02 PM
Reply to: Message 15 by Brian
08-21-2006 11:57 AM


Because it is your thread.
Oh. Well, I would think that if there were such a being as Jesus, He's probably very compassionate.

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iano
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Message 17 of 300 (341919)
08-21-2006 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 11:53 AM


Hey Robin,
Next time you see a mother cling in desparation to the coffin of her dead child as they prepare to bury it in the ground don't bother having "your heart go out to her" - go over and talk to her. Listen to her anguish, row in there alongside her and try and work up the same grief that she has so you can avoid being patronising. Tell her that "time heals all wounds" and the like. Offer to contribute to the costs of the funeral. Like: do something man!
Or maybe you see such things in the context you saw those vets as somehow patronising? What your heart was going out to was ever so larger than "Hey old timer - fancy a smoke... and tell me, is war really Hell?"
All this ridicule you face. Great practice for being a Christian...
The Lord does work in mysterious ways (and I mean that not at all patronising. Prophetically I hope)

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jar
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Message 18 of 300 (341920)
08-21-2006 12:05 PM
Reply to: Message 13 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 11:53 AM


So? I'm being criticized for that? That's ridiculous.
Please show where in that post I criticized you? I said you missed an opportunity. It was your loss, not theirs.
If you look back at the reactions in the "Boasts of Atheists" thread, you will see a very good example of PC at work.
Oh yeah, that thread was pretty funny too. I remember that one.
And still no support for anything in this or any other thread being Politically Correct, just the normal assertion.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 19 of 300 (341924)
08-21-2006 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 6 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 11:13 AM


quote:
It seemed like stoicism to me.
quote:
I was in their presence only for a couple of minutes. It was the vision that stuck with me.
I agree that it can be fun to make up stories about people you observe in day to day life.
But unless you know the circumstances, well, you just don't know why they were the way they were.

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robinrohan
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Message 20 of 300 (341925)
08-21-2006 12:15 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by jar
08-21-2006 12:05 PM


Please show where in that post I criticized you?
You said I didn't "do squat." That sounds like criticism to me. The tone is critical.
And still no support for anything in this or any other thread being Politically Correct, just the normal assertion
If you like I can quote those negative reactions from the other thread that jumped all over me for my "dehumanizing" comment about the Veterans. That's PC-style morality.

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nator
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Message 21 of 300 (341927)
08-21-2006 12:17 PM
Reply to: Message 17 by iano
08-21-2006 12:05 PM


quote:
All this ridicule you face. Great practice for being a Christian...
I don't ridicule Christians for their beliefs.
I only ridicule some Christians' ridiculous notions about science, logic, and the difference (or claimed lack thereof) between knowledge and belief.

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nator
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From: Ann Arbor
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Message 22 of 300 (341928)
08-21-2006 12:18 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 12:15 PM


quote:
If you like I can quote those negative reactions from the other thread that jumped all over me for my "dehumanizing" comment about the Veterans. That's PC-style morality.
No, it is your assertion that this is PC-style morality.

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robinrohan
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Message 23 of 300 (341929)
08-21-2006 12:21 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by nator
08-21-2006 12:12 PM


But unless you know the circumstances, well, you just don't know why they were the way they were.
Since we were at a VA hospital, I figured these men were veterans. And I figured that the missing limbs were lost in war. This seems very reasonable to me.
I also figured that they did not enjoy losing their limbs. I figured they would rather have had their limbs.

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NeuroCycle
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Message 24 of 300 (341930)
08-21-2006 12:22 PM


I don't see why robinrohan is getting so much flack. He obviously felt empathy and compassion for this group of men, just because he didn’t go talk to them, give them money, ect., ect. doesn't mean that he did anything wrong.
There is so many things around this world that would bring up the feelings Robinrohan had, all of us have been in that situation and I can tell you that I have taken the route of inaction. We have to pick and choose whom we want to help.
I am sure no one here volunteers, donates, keeps company, protests or whatever everything they have feelings of opposition, pity, empathy, compassion for.
Attacking Robinrohan for a small bit of inaction is a good way to tear him down and make one look better saying, "I would of done it".
Edited by NeuroCycle, : Spelling/grammar

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jar
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Message 25 of 300 (341931)
08-21-2006 12:24 PM
Reply to: Message 20 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 12:15 PM


You said I didn't "do squat." That sounds like criticism to me. The tone is critical.
Ah, so YOU percieve "didn't do squat" as critical. It is not then a matter of what I said but of how YOU process it.
Trust me, if I wish to criticize you it will be in terms that carry more weight than squat.
If you like I can quote those negative reactions from the other thread that jumped all over me for my "dehumanizing" comment about the Veterans. That's PC-style morality.
So you assert. You pull out the old label-maker and zip ---> things are labeled politically correct.
I must admit that labeling is much easier than trying to deal with the issues.
And again, as I have made clear in everyone of the posts you are responding to here, the loss was yours, not theirs.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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robinrohan
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Message 26 of 300 (341933)
08-21-2006 12:25 PM
Reply to: Message 22 by nator
08-21-2006 12:18 PM


No, it is your assertion that this is PC-style morality.
Well, if you don't want to call it PC, then call it something else. Whatever it is, it's wrongheaded to call my remarks "dehumanizing."

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robinrohan
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Message 27 of 300 (341935)
08-21-2006 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 24 by NeuroCycle
08-21-2006 12:22 PM


Attacking Robinrohan for a small bit of inaction is a good way to tear him down and make one look better saying, "I would of done it".
Thanks, Neurocycle. Your remarks are extremely sensible.

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nator
Member (Idle past 2199 days)
Posts: 12961
From: Ann Arbor
Joined: 12-09-2001


Message 28 of 300 (341936)
08-21-2006 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 23 by robinrohan
08-21-2006 12:21 PM


quote:
Since we were at a VA hospital, I figured these men were veterans.
That is not in question. Their state of mind is.
quote:
And I figured that the missing limbs were lost in war.
Again, not in question.
quote:
I also figured that they did not enjoy losing their limbs. I figured they would rather have had their limbs.
All very probable assumptions.
However, you have no idea why they were sitting silently.
They could have been "stonily stoic".
They could have been medicated.
They could have been deaf.
They could have been depressed.

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NeuroCycle
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Message 29 of 300 (341938)
08-21-2006 12:35 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by nator
08-21-2006 12:31 PM


Or they could of been content to be sitting their silently amongts fellow Vets.

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robinrohan
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Message 30 of 300 (341942)
08-21-2006 12:47 PM
Reply to: Message 28 by nator
08-21-2006 12:31 PM


However, you have no idea why they were sitting silently.
I'm not certain, if that's what you mean. It was just my impression. I'm not a mind reader. But so what? My feelings were in no way "demeaning."

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