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Topic: On feeling sorry for people
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robinrohan
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Any time now, I guess. Yeah, it will soon be reasonable.
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robinrohan
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Message 62 of 300 (342007)
08-21-2006 3:04 PM
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Reply to: Message 57 by ringo
08-21-2006 2:49 PM
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If that's Political Correctness, I'm all for it. Notice all those "shoulds"? PC is extremely moralistic.
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NeuroCycle
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Message 63 of 300 (342012)
08-21-2006 3:18 PM
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Reply to: Message 60 by jar
08-21-2006 2:59 PM
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
What I am getting out of it is that you are fine with him makeing his choice because he is Robin, but you wouldn't make the same choice because you are Jar. Let me know if I am on the right track.
All I did was present an alternative series of actions. I believe this is a discussion board. When someone starts a thread usually it is to discuss the contents of the opening post. What you did is present a personal, "better", series of actions. Not just an alternative. I have given my opinions on the opening post. I haven't had any responces to that. I am going with this line of responces.
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Faith 
Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 64 of 300 (342016)
08-21-2006 3:24 PM
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On Having To Do Something
Here's another aspect of this thing. The moralistic reaction to Robin's feeling sorry for these men is all about his not DOING something about it. I realized this is central to the mindset here. In this frame of reference there is no room for merely having an existential moment, which is what it was for Robin, a moment of confrontation with real-life misery in a way that for a philosophical turn of mind may throw into relief all the dilemmas of human existence. Instead of being allowed to contemplate the many ramifications of the Human Condition that such a moment presents to one, perhaps to understand something about life, he is bullied by smaller minds about not DOING something instead. This frantic rush to cure all the ills of the world tramples on what could be argued is a higher human calling, to reflect on the meaning of life, to understand the big picture.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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robinrohan writes: PC is extremely moralistic. And that's a bad thing?
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NeuroCycle
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Message 66 of 300 (342019)
08-21-2006 3:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 51 by ringo
08-21-2006 2:29 PM
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How "socially adept" do you have to be to talk to people at the looney bin? They're in there because they're not socially adept. They may not have a tight grip on reality, but they can spot a socially adept phoney. I don't like starting conversations with strangers. I don't like making small talk.
It isn't about criticizing you. It's about the oppurtunities you miss - oppurtunities to interact with your fellow creatures. It's part of the experience of being alive. If your fellow creatures get something out of it too, that's just a bonus. I am personally not missing out on anything. I don't want to talk to that homeless guy, I don't talk to them. I am not missing out on anything. Will I give him a dollar or two, sure, probably make him happier then talking to him.
Still missing the point. There's nothing "honorable" or "kind-hearted" about just enjoying life. My whole point is that I didn't do anything. I didn't offer money. I didn't pat them on the head and say, "Good dog." I just treated them the same way I would treat anybody else. Treating somebody different because they "are" different is a sin of omission. He is different then me. No sugar coating it. He doesn't have money. I do. I give him money to help him. Outside of finacial differences do I think he is equal (wrong word, should of used different again) to me? He is a human being and has all the rights I do and all that, but beyond that honestly I don't know - he could be a crack head dead beat or just his business fell out and was left with no money. I don't know and I am not going to talk to him to find out.... call me calious or cold-hearted but being honest... I don't care. I don't care why is there, but he obviously needs money and I if I give him some I don't care what he does with it. Edited by NeuroCycle, : changes in bold
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robinrohan
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Message 67 of 300 (342021)
08-21-2006 3:33 PM
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Reply to: Message 65 by ringo
08-21-2006 3:27 PM
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And that's a bad thing? Very bad in my view. I can hardly make a comment around here without having some moralistic comment thrown at me. Modern soceity is excessively moralistic and sentimental.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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Message 68 of 300 (342022)
08-21-2006 3:34 PM
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Reply to: Message 64 by Faith
08-21-2006 3:24 PM
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Re: On Having To Do Something
Faith writes: ... a higher human calling, to reflect on the meaning of life, to understand the big picture. Well, lah dee dah.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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robinrohan writes: Modern soceity is excessively moralistic and sentimental. GedankenExperiment: What would modern society be like if everybody was an armchair nihilist?
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robinrohan
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Message 70 of 300 (342028)
08-21-2006 3:45 PM
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Reply to: Message 69 by ringo
08-21-2006 3:37 PM
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What would modern society be like if everybody was an armchair nihilist? It would be terrible. I wouldn't have anybody to disagree with. But at least it wouldn't so moralistic and so sentimental.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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NeuroCycle writes: I don't like starting conversations with strangers. How do you go about meeting people?
I don't like making small talk. No such thing as "small" talk. Ever talk to children?
I am personally not missing out on anything. If you don't know what you're missing, how can you know you're not "missing" it?
Will I give him a dollar or two, sure, probably make him happier then talking to him. I'll give you a dollar - I'm stuffing it into my CD tray as we speak. Make you feel better? Why do you assume it would make somebody else feel better?
... he could be a crack head dead beat or just his business fell out and was left with no money. I don't know and I am not going to talk to him to find out.... Still missing the point. Did I ask anybody, "What drove you crazy?" or "Why haven't you had a bath?" I talked to them the same way I talk to you - although it was easier talking to them because they seemed to appreciate life more. 
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Faith
Suspended Member (Idle past 1473 days) Posts: 35298 From: Nevada, USA Joined: 10-06-2001
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Message 72 of 300 (342032)
08-21-2006 3:54 PM
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Reply to: Message 68 by ringo
08-21-2006 3:34 PM
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Re: On Having To Do Something
I suppose I deserved that but I really think this is what is going on. A person can't even have a philosophical moment without being harassed and bullied by the Fuzziewuzzies for failure to meet their blinkered standards. Edited by Faith, : No reason given.
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jar
Member (Idle past 423 days) Posts: 34026 From: Texas!! Joined: 04-20-2004
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Re: If you want to feel you were criticized then OKAY!
What you did is present a personal, "better", series of actions. No, I presented an alternative. Whether it is better or worse I imagine every individual will decide for themselves.
What I am getting out of it is that you are fine with him makeing his choice because he is Robin, but you wouldn't make the same choice because you are Jar. Sure. I do not have to live with robin, only jar.
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ringo
Member (Idle past 441 days) Posts: 20940 From: frozen wasteland Joined: 03-23-2005
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robinrohan writes: It would be terrible. I wouldn't have anybody to disagree with. But at least it wouldn't so moralistic and so sentimental. I can be moralistic and sentimental and still be disagreeable. Best of both worlds. 
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robinrohan
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Message 75 of 300 (342035)
08-21-2006 3:59 PM
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Reply to: Message 71 by ringo
08-21-2006 3:53 PM
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I talked to them the same way I talk to you Well, la dee dah.
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