Prophecy for Buzsaw

My argument has been all along that all the verses in all the synoptic gospels alluding to the temple destruction as well as all the other events in the discourse apply and the totality of the content of all accounts should be considered for optimum understanding. Further I've stated that the prophesied dispersion and gentile occupation is indicative that the temple destruction would likely come when that happens. You're trying to get me to segment the synoptic gospels and that's not how they work, nor how to fully understand them. I said you're bucking the majority of studied pros. What is your response to that charge?This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-12-2004 11:47 AM

GOD never told us not to think for ourselves or examine beliefs critically.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

My answer to your charge is that you need to substantiate it.You also need to show that your "experts" have valid arguments.Now how about you deal with the obvious point that the disciples asked was directly about the evnts leading up to the destruction of the Temple - and without a clear reference to the destruction in the Olivet Discourse that question is unanswered.

That's fine. I like it. But tell it to Paul, Percy, Froggy and the others who chastize me when I buck the science pros with stuff which goes against what they've learned in their classrooms of higher ed.

They only buck you when you fail yet again to back up your assertions with any reasoning or evidence.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Paul, I suggest that rather than I go and dig up all the numerous notable's teaching on the Temple Destruction which would put me to a lot of work and expend a lot of time, why not you substantiate your position by showing where it is accepted and taught by some notable scholars of Biblical eschatology? I believe that's what's been required of me when I buck the science pros. I have shown by historical fulfillment that their and my arguments are valid. The temple, historically, was the first major event to happen in the list of major events, some of which have not happened yet. Historically, the first of the major events to follow was the dispersion of the Jews and occupation of gentile nations. [/qs]Now how about you deal with the obvious point that the disciples asked was directly about the evnts leading up to the destruction of the Temple - and without a clear reference to the destruction in the Olivet Discourse that question is unanswered.[/i]1. According to the Matthew account, their question was at least three-fold. When they asked, they had no idea the temple destruction would be the first to happen. Jesus's answer leaves no indication that anything was to prevent the temple destruction from being the first. In his discourse, though, it was the first event stated by him, though.2. Note that in all three gospels, after the question concerning the THINGS,(PLURAL) which should come to pass, Jesus begins to answer in the same manner about the same things, so all three gospels must imply that it was not only about the temple destruction that the desciples were inquiring, but about the others, being the 2nd advent and end of the age.

[qs]They only buck you when you fail yet again to back up your assertions with any reasoning or evidence.[/q]Oh, you mean like with the stuff you people consider to be reasonable and evidentual here? LOL!

Gotta run for now.

Amlodhi,Nono no, Buz can have it both ways. He is after all talking about prophesying. You don't understand prophecy. Prophets must have it both ways that is how it works. Nostradamus is such a big time prophet because he is so vague and ambiguous his prophecies can be applied to just about anything and anytime one wishes, and the same goes for the prophecies in the Bible. A suggestive malleable ambiguity is the sine qua non of the successful prophecy. The fulfillment of a prophecy is judged by it's effects on people. Are people impressed and paying attention? Do they believe the prophecy? The prophet was successful.Don't mistake prophecy for prediction. Predictions are held to factual standards. Prophecy is held to religious standards. lfenedit: decided I only really needed one "the" in front of "successful prophecy".This message has been edited by lfen, 09-12-2004 02:05 PM

Read this book about Prophecy, and you will believe.If an atheist reads this book and after still does not believe that the prophecies of the Bible have come to pass, I must say, they are either mentally deficient, mentally handicapped, willfully ignorant, willfully deceived, or just plain too proud to admit they are wrong.http://www.maranathamedia.com.au/...tion%20-%20U%20Smith.pdfWelcome to:Daniel and the Revelation by Uriah SmithThis book really helped me see things clearer than ever before...confirming more than EVER the validity of the written document.I strongly suggest people like Brian, PaulK, mark24, NosyNed, etc. read it with a fine tooth comb.

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~Lysimachus

Remember folks, the above book is probably one of the most in-depth, well written, thoroughly referenced Prophecy book you will ever get your hands on.

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~Lysimachus

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Originally posted by lfen

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A suggestive malleable ambiguity is the sine qua non of the successful prophecy.

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Indeed. Short memory spans are helpful as well.There is a very good book that some here may be interested in reading. It provides a history (and, thus, the morphology) of prophetic interpretation as well as exploring many of the issues that you have touched on here. The book is:When Time Shall Be No More, Prophecy Belief in Modern American Culture, Paul Boyer, Belknap/Harvard Univ. Press, Cambridge Mass.Thanks for your comments lfen,Amlodhi

Yet the very first example they give doees not seem to be borne out by the text in Ezekiel. Instead it appears that they simply quotemined one single line from the chapter and used that one line out of context.Sad, very sad.It appears that if they cannot begin with something reasonable there is little hope for the rest of it.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

The book is based on the prophecies of Daniel and Revelation, the core books of prophecy of the Bible. Unless you read the whole thing thoroughly, you will never know just how well other prophecies from other chapters are tied in. You have to take everything as a whole and tie it all together, not just assume that since one thing is not explained "it must not be explained elsewhere in the book".This type of method only reveals poor student qualities. The prophecies in this book have stood the test of time. The question is, will you pass the test of an honest examination? Or are you already predisposed against the Bible, so that no matter what is brought up, you will not change?Think about that question, and think seriously how honest you are being to yourself.

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Im sorry but when someone cannot make even their very first example satnd up to examination why should I bother to look at the rest of their work?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion