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lfen
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Message 189 of 385 (141787)
09-12-2004 2:57 PM
Reply to: Message 178 by Amlodhi
09-11-2004 6:29 PM


But you just can't have it both ways at once.
Amlodhi,
Nono no, Buz can have it both ways. He is after all talking about prophesying. You don't understand prophecy. Prophets must have it both ways that is how it works. Nostradamus is such a big time prophet because he is so vague and ambiguous his prophecies can be applied to just about anything and anytime one wishes, and the same goes for the prophecies in the Bible. A suggestive malleable ambiguity is the sine qua non of the successful prophecy. The fulfillment of a prophecy is judged by it's effects on people. Are people impressed and paying attention? Do they believe the prophecy? The prophet was successful.
Don't mistake prophecy for prediction. Predictions are held to factual standards. Prophecy is held to religious standards.
lfen
edit: decided I only really needed one "the" in front of "successful prophecy".
This message has been edited by lfen, 09-12-2004 02:05 PM

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lfen
Member (Idle past 4707 days)
Posts: 2189
From: Oregon
Joined: 06-24-2004


Message 201 of 385 (141915)
09-12-2004 9:51 PM
Reply to: Message 200 by Buzsaw
09-12-2004 9:24 PM


Why don't you show where I've gone wrong if you think you can before spouting off your unsubstantiated implications?
Well, here is another approach to dealing with the vagueness of the prophecy.
8. (24b) Jerusalem will be trampled by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are over
a. The Israelis took possession of Jerusalem in 1968, but the holy mount is still Arab property, under Arab rule; as far as God is concerned, the most important piece of real estate in Jerusalem (perhaps the world?) is still trampled by Gentiles
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In science a prediction is given in unequivocal terms. Something happens or it doesn't within some specified margin of error. Prophecies are stated in terms vague enough that multiple interpretations are permitted. If enough guesses are made the odds improve that sooner or later they guess right, particularly if you look back and work the claim for something that has happened. If Christians who believe the prophecies can't agree on them that tells me that I am right about prophecies. They are not predictions.
lfen

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