Prophecy for Buzsaw

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The evidence Jesus was the Messiah,is the NT.

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The evidence that I am the Messiah is that I say so.Fact.

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The 6 rules are laughable, I can just hear Percy's thoughts as I write: " Hang on a minute, Christ was accurate, oh dear....I'll have to get rid of that one. That's it - bingo, I'll write a rule saying you can't include it"

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I agree. Those six rules would certainly take some credibility away from my prophecies, and I wouldn't want that. Ut... hold on... I feel a prediction coming on...Lo, I say unto you, there will be this guy. He's gonna do all sorts of stuff, and the stuff will be good. But others will react to this stuff. Or else they might ignore it. It's a little hazy.

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But lo I say unto you that three nights shall not pass before this stuff is done.By the standards you're looking for, it should be clear that I have astounding prognasticating powers. Don't let your anti-Dan bias cause you to pick and choose "rules" and "standards" for the purpose of weeding out my accurate prophecies.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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My main point though, is that we do base our beliefs on happenings in history. Remember the prophecies we discussed concerning Israel?

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Yup. Remember the arguments against them? (As evidence for prophecy.)

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Percy is making it so that no Prophecy will pass the test.

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Is that Percy's fault, or the fault of the prophecies?

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I would adhere to your jargon, only the NT does not mention Dan Carrol

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It does in bible code.

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many many agree Biblical prophecy has come to pass.

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Many, many people agreed that bellbottoms were a good idea.Twice.

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who are you to make the rules. Who is an unbeliever to make the rules? - A biased rule maker!

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What would you say the rules are for a valid prophecy, Mike?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still< !--UE-->[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 01-09-2004]

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well, why Jesus?

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Because the topic at hand is biblical prophecies. Vishnu doesn't have a whole lot of relevance to the discussion.Seriously, Mike. Give us your criteria for a valid prophecy. Otherwise our only option is to go on judging prophecies by the criteria in the first post.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Oh, so it's one rule for the Bible. But your quite happy for me to give you a Vishnu prophecy?

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No, I'll judge it against the same criteria as I would Jesus' prophecies. But since we are talking about Jesus, using examples that involve Jesus just makes the most sense, wouldn't you say?

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If a prophecy is true it will come to pass.

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I predict that in five minutes, I will go to lunch.It meets your criteria for a prophecy, Mike.

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The real God can be our neutral source who makes the rules.

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And as soon as the real God starts posting on evc, we can ask him what he thinks. Until then, how about we try muddling through the rules ourselves?

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If your much admired rule 1 is so great. Why does it effectively say "This Jesus prophecy cannot be included"

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Would it make you feel more comfortable if rule 1 said, "The prophecy must be specific. The determining factor in deciding specificity is that there must be only one event, one person, one whatever, etc, in history to which the prophecy could reasonably apply"?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Dan, I don't see any miracles yet.

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I have performed miracles. The evidence is that I say so.Happy now?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

Mike.Five. Freakin'. Pages ago. I asked you: I've also asked you repeatedly for your own set of rules, or your specific problems with the rules, so that we can try to reach some sort of compromise on how to read a prophecy.I haven't used any sort of insults toward you. I would appreciate some sort of resposne.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still< !--UE-->[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 01-12-2004]

Cool. If there are no problems with 2-6, perhaps we can start things up. Iron Man presented a prophecy... anyone want to take it on?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

All right, guys. We got it. Each of you knows the other one is, but what are you.Can we get down to some prophecy-testin'?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still< !--UE-->[This message has been edited by Dan Carroll, 01-12-2004]

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This should apply to rules for specific prophecy. In the case of cumulative prophecy,where several general prophetic events converge on a central theme, why not allow that?

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As long as the prophecy specifically names the several events, no problem. But otherwise, the following counts as prophecy:And in some year, a bunch of stuff shall happen. Many people, be they men or women, shall watch the stuff, after which a fight will start. And woe to the unbelievers, for surely they will not be invited to the party that happens after the stuff.Several converging events. And utterly useless as prophecy.

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Unless we are in the process of fullfillment.

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Why don't you give us a ring when the fulfillment is completed? Otherwise it amounts to "no, honest! It'll happen any day now!"If I prophecize that green maggots will burrow their way out of my skull, it doesn't do the prohecy any good for me to say, "well... I have a skull. There are maggots and green paint in the world. It's clearly in the process of fulfillment. All that remains is for things to fall into place."

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However, remember the differing mindset. What is their source of verification? In other words, it is one thing to declare the bible as fallible. To declare that Jesus never existed requires counterproof.

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Right after you provide counterproof that Rhett Butler never existed.After all, I have a book that says he did.

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Then let us define straightforward and convoluted!

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Webster's is always worth a good read. In the meantime, I think we can reasonably apply the Supreme Court porn position: "you know it when you see it."

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suggesting that Jesus merely did certain things to fullfill prior Messianic qualifications? How likely or unlikely is that scenario, using logic?

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More like suggesting that the American government supports Zionism specifically for the purpose of causing biblical prophecy to happen. There's a whole other thread on the forum somewhere about self-fulfilling prophecy.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Perhaps the fact is that prophecy does not stand the test of any reasonable critical analysis, should we close the thread and put prophecy into room 101?

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We're... gonna put a cage of rats on Jesus' face?Hunh.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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Any witnesses?

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A bunch of guys saw it happen. My evidence that they saw is that I say so.

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As for the temple destruction, I maintain that this is only the beginning of the long list of events to happen in the prophecy. There's reasonably and logicaly just way too much here to happen, mainly the dispersal and return of Jews to restore the land and city to happen in the generation to whom Jesus gave the prophetic discourse.

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Buz... can you clarify here? Because it sounds like you're saying, "He couldn't have meant one generation, because that would mean his prophecy was impossible."So? Wouldn't that just mean his prophecy was wrong?

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

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'The 3rd Dan' consists mainly of the world's most powerful leaders, (e.g- Mr.G.Bush and many others).

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If by "consists mainly of" you mean "enjoys making a sex toy out of", then yeah. Spot on, man.The 3rd Dan is more powerful than you can possibly know.

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"It isn't faith that makes good science, it's curiosity."
-Professor Barnhard, The Day the Earth Stood Still

Dan Carrol? Who's Dan Carrol?Honestly people, two "r"s, two "l"s, and it's spelled out on all my posts. How hard is it?Regardless... physical threats that can only be appeased through supplication really show God's endless love. I've sure seen the light now.

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"Good evening. I'm playing the role of Jesus; a man once portrayed on the big screen by Jeffery Hunter. You may remember him as the actor who was replaced by William Shatner on Star Trek. Apparently Mr. Hunter was good enough to die for our sins, but not quite up to the task of seducing green women."
-Stewie Griffin