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AndyGodLove  Suspended Member (Idle past 5797 days) Posts: 18 From: Wentworth Joined: |
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Jester4kicks Junior Member (Idle past 5524 days) Posts: 33 Joined: |
Would you care to tell me how the government is supposed to enforce religious morality without actually relying on a particular religion?
Furthermore, your picket-line wisdom seems to indicate that everyone is free to make their own decisions about religion... but that they will still be bound by someone else's religion. You seriously read the establishment clause... and THAT's the rational conclusion you came to?
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
I don't believe they are, simply because that which causes a black man to be black is not anything like that which causes a gay man to be gay. I think this can be a separate thread. It is a scientific question so it should be in misc. topics there. If you think you can support this statement (or, at least, explain what you mean) it would be interesting to have you open a thread.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: I guess I find it stunning to the point of disbelief that anyone in this day and age could seriously consider even for a millisecond that homosexuality is a choice. simply because that which causes a black man to be black is not anything like that which causes a gay man to be gay. And don't we basically know the loci for skin pigmentation? So, if anything, I guess we're closer to a cure for being born black than we are for being born gay. Should we fix that one for you Hoot Mon? I mean, who in their right mind would want to be born black when they could be born white instead?
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Alasdair Member (Idle past 5778 days) Posts: 143 Joined: |
I think he was joking
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Jester4kicks Junior Member (Idle past 5524 days) Posts: 33 Joined: |
I can only hope so. I'm still a newbie around here, so I haven't learned everyone's blend of humor yet.
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bluegenes Member (Idle past 2505 days) Posts: 3119 From: U.K. Joined: |
Hoot Mon writes: By invoking an "interracial marriage" comparison to "same-sex marriage" you are assuming they are actually comparable. I don't believe they are, simply because that which causes a black man to be black is not anything like that which causes a gay man to be gay. That depends what you mean, but it could well be that people who are primarily attracted to others of the same sex are born that way. It's biological enough to show in the brain:
From this article (June 16, yesterday) quote: quote: There's still loads of unknowns about what makes sexuality, but it looks increasingly as though our basic orientation is biologically predetermined. I've just read on in the thread, and seen that Ned suggests you might open a thread on this.
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BeagleBob Member (Idle past 5705 days) Posts: 81 Joined: |
Let's not forget that there's strong evidence indicating a powerful correlation between genetic relationship and homosexuality:
Gay Men in Twin Study - The New York Times It's certainly not something purely genetic, but it looks like genes are definitely a component. There's also been evidence that gayness is developmental or epigenetic, and some factors are environmental. For the most part though, the biological basis of homosexuality is well-documented.
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Jester writes:
This country was founded on Christian principles. It should have remained so. The only reason this country is going downward is because we are allowing heathens and heretics to roam freely on our streets. It's time Christians should take back this country.
Would you care to tell me how the government is supposed to enforce religious morality without actually relying on a particular religion? Furthermore, your picket-line wisdom seems to indicate that everyone is free to make their own decisions about religion... but that they will still be bound by someone else's religion.
Jesus is the only way toward salvation. If you want to live in this country that was founded on Christian principles, then following Christ is the only right way to live your life.
You seriously read the establishment clause... and THAT's the rational conclusion you came to?
I don't need to read anything to know that this country was founded on Christian princples. The founding fathers were Christians. This is one nation under GOD.
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FliesOnly Member (Idle past 4173 days) Posts: 797 From: Michigan Joined: |
OK...now you're even starting to scare me
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.3 |
Yes it appears Taz has gone over to the dark (unenlightened) side!
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5528 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
Taz doesn't believe any of that. He's trolling for the gay movement.
”HM
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Taz Member (Idle past 3320 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
It's called a preemptive strike. In a thread like this, there's bound to be someone that will say the exact words I just said. Thought I'd get it out of the way first.
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Hyroglyphx Inactive Member |
I'm afraid you ARE equivocating. Is there any difference between a sanctioned boxing match and someone beating you senseless on the street? Yes. One is legal and the other is not. You can be arrested for assault and battery for having an impromptu boxing match in the street.
One scenario involves two CONSENSUAL ADULTS - you wilfully ignore this point time and time again - and the other does not. I don't ignore it. I'm simply showing that this qualifier fails to explain why something is illegal or legal in the first place. Incest, between two consenting adults, is legal. Consent does not remove anything. Prostitution is between two consenting adults. It does not remove anything. Having an extra-marital affair is between consenting adults. Consent does not remove anything. Consenting to have Jack Kevorkian assist in suicide is between consenting adults. Consent does not remove anything. Therefore, consent between adults is not the sole qualifier here. I have pointed this out, time and again, but it seems to be ignored. It should stand to reason then that people who want gay marriage also need to give a reason why one is rejected and the other accepted, as long as we're dealing with consenting adults. So what I am saying now, and have been saying throughout this thread, is you picking one invariably denies the others rights under the very pretenses you advocate homosexual marriage. If barring two consenting adults from marrying is bigoted, then so is barring any other consenting adults for any other reason. Understand now?
There is absolutely nothing - save for a mythical book and your heebie jeebies - that separates the consenual act of sex amongst same sex partners and the same act between opposite partners. First of all the societal aversion towards homosexuality didn't begin with one religious tome, and it hasn't ended with it either. Pretty much all societies have rejected it, save fallen Rome and Athens. You can't indict a religion with it, anymore than you could give sole credit to Moses as being the arbiter of homicide. Secondly, nothing separates anything else either by the same rationale. “I know where I am and who I am. I'm on the brink of disillusionment, on the eve of bitter sweet. I'm perpetually one step away from either collapse or rebirth. I am exactly where I need to be. Either way I go towards rebirth, for a total collapse often brings a rebirth." -Andrew Jaramillo
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Fosdick  Suspended Member (Idle past 5528 days) Posts: 1793 From: Upper Slobovia Joined: |
BeagleBob writes:
That article is pretty old”1991. I tried to google something more recent on the causes of homosexuality”not a whole a lot out there. It seems as though science has not yet pinned it down. Discovering a gay gene would really do the trick. But the causes of gayness seem to be so subtle that personal choice can't be ruled out. Let's not forget that there's strong evidence indicating a powerful correlation between genetic relationship and homosexuality:Gay Men in Twin Study - The New York Times It's certainly not something purely genetic, but it looks like genes are definitely a component. There's also been evidence that gayness is developmental or epigenetic, and some factors are environmental. For the most part though, the biological basis of homosexuality is well-documented. However, I lay a lot to the genes, and I'm guessing a genetic link to gayness will be discovered someday. Then they can fix it and everybody will be straight, unless they choose to be otherwise. ”HM
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AdminNosy Administrator Posts: 4754 From: Vancouver, BC, Canada Joined: |
Both of you. This doesn't belong here.
I'll close it if you want to change the topic to that degree. You are now trying to discuss the science of it all.
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