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Straggler
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Message 313 of 519 (472773)
06-24-2008 4:51 PM
Reply to: Message 310 by NOT JULIUS
06-24-2008 4:33 PM


Re: What about gay marriage
No but it is (or should be) the main reason for marriage, I think. But even if some would not agree that procreation is not the main reason for marriage, Just take a look at the physiological make up of the sex organs. Penis is to vagina by nature. Penis to penis / vagina to vagina is just not natural.
Why does natural = should? Isn't this just the naturalistic fallacy?
Should infertile heterosexual people be allowed to marry if procreation is the main reason for marriage?
Edited by Straggler, : No reason given.

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Straggler
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Message 315 of 519 (472790)
06-24-2008 5:55 PM
Reply to: Message 314 by NOT JULIUS
06-24-2008 5:02 PM


Re: What about gay marriage
Needs clarification. Men enter into marriage for the main reason--and there are other reasons--of reproducing.It is their natural urge to reproduce--that's why they have the so called "father / mother instinct". The need to have, care, and love children that came from their own bodies.
So what? You are till assuming that natural = good?
Is rape natural? Is rape good? Is everything natural good? Is everything 'unnatural' bad?
Please note I am not saying that homosexuality is either good or bad or natural or not. I am simply saying that your argument based on natural is irrelevant.
So again I ask-
Why does natural = should? Isn't this just the naturalistic fallacy?
Should infertile heterosexual people be allowed to marry if procreation is the main reason for marriage?

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Straggler
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Message 354 of 519 (473001)
06-26-2008 12:31 PM
Reply to: Message 353 by New Cat's Eye
06-26-2008 11:21 AM


Why?
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, marriage is to the opposite sex.
Why?
Marriage is a human construct. Surely it is up to people to decide what the term marriage means and how it applies. If there is a justified argument for saying that any consenting couple can get married regardless of sex, race, fertility, height, weight, religion, favorite food etc. etc. etc.
Then why not let any consenting couple get married?

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Straggler
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Message 379 of 519 (473149)
06-27-2008 10:57 AM
Reply to: Message 355 by New Cat's Eye
06-26-2008 12:52 PM


Re: Why?
Why is it that way? I dunno, that's how its always been.
So what.
If we only ever did as has always been done we would never do anything.
Because all the laws that explicitly refer to marriage we're written in a way that presumed that the marriages would be between opposite sexes.
Again so what? If laws are unjust they should be changed. No?
There's a few ways to get it (same sex marriages) done.
But why bother to make the distinction? Why not one law for all?

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Straggler
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Message 392 of 519 (473341)
06-28-2008 12:12 PM
Reply to: Message 391 by New Cat's Eye
06-28-2008 11:36 AM


Economic Effects
If the potential economic effects of gay marriage being legal were assessed and deemed inconsequential would you still oppose gay marriage?
If not tradition, if not economic...... then what is your actual objection?

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Straggler
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Message 394 of 519 (473384)
06-28-2008 5:13 PM
Reply to: Message 393 by New Cat's Eye
06-28-2008 5:02 PM


Re: Economic Effects
But seriously, tradition and economics are factors. But I tend to be more conservative, in general. It seems all these things nudge our country more and more to the left, and I don't like it. It doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that they are homosexual.
To be honest yours seems a relatively practical point of view regards the topic in question.
Its because I'm a fucking homophobic bigot, duh
I have not called you, or anyone else, a homophobic bigot.
So, seriously, what is your objection? It seems you think that homosexual marriage is some sort of precursor to an immoral left wing society......
Is that the issue as far as you are concerned?
Talking of left wing idealism... Normally I would be at the Glastonbury festival this weekend. Alas not this year. However I reccommend it to all good free thinking liberterian conservatives

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Straggler
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Message 406 of 519 (473567)
06-30-2008 6:03 PM
Reply to: Message 399 by New Cat's Eye
06-30-2008 2:51 PM


Re: Economic Effects
Not really that it leads to immorality, but that I have a general distrust of liberalizing our society and its laws. I prefer order.
Surey if people do something that harms no-one else, direcly or indirectly, then more order is achieved by letting them get on with it in peace rather than imposing seemingly prejudiced opinions upon them? Why not let consenting adults marry as they see fit?
Or do you think gay marriage would harm people indirectly (or even directly) in a way that heterosexual marriage somehow does not?
Normally I would be at the Glastonbury festival this weekend. Alas not this year. However I reccommend it to all good free thinking liberterian conservatives.
Wow, that looks freakin' sweet. I would totally go if I could.
Dude it is awesome. Gutted I am not ther this year. If ever you get the chance it is one of those things to do before you die.......

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