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AndyGodLove  Suspended Member (Idle past 5799 days) Posts: 18 From: Wentworth Joined: |
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Great J writes:
quote: That must be why we require a fertility test before allowing people to get married and immediately annul it if there haven't been any children after five years. Wait...you mean we don't? Hunh. Then what happened to your argument?
quote: That must be why we never allow people to adopt children. Wait...you mean we do? Hunh. Then what happened to your argument? And that must be why gay people never, ever have children of their own. Wait...you mean they do? Hunh. Then what happened to your argument? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Rrhain Member Posts: 6351 From: San Diego, CA, USA Joined: |
Buzsaw writes:
quote: It was a beautiful weekend here. Went to the Midway, had a lovely dinner on the bay, watched the sunset. Wait...was I supposed to be immolated by the wrath of god because two people I don't know got married? Rrhain Thank you for your submission to Science. Your paper was reviewed by a jury of seventh graders so that they could look for balance and to allow them to make up their own minds. We are sorry to say that they found your paper "bogus," specifically describing the section on the laboratory work "boring." We regret that we will be unable to publish your work at this time.
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Rrhain writes: It was a beautiful weekend here. Went to the Midway, had a lovely dinner on the bay, watched the sunset. Wait...was I supposed to be immolated by the wrath of god because two people I don't know got married? Over 1000 lightning strikes over the state in one day with no rain on America's first official gay honeymoon weekend, nearly twice the strikes in Ca all of 2007 should tell America something about the existence of Jehovah god and what his word says about gay lifestyle. The fires aren't out yet. Sodom, Gomorrah and California = fire, fire and fire. Someone needs to wake up and cry, "FIRE!" Gov Swartse flew over north state and said they were in smoke the whole trip. I hope he's happy. God has blessed America above all nations. As with Israel, when theGod blessed nation thumbs it's nose at God the blessings go and the catastrophes emerge. Whenever our govt undermines God's messianic nation, Israel and when we do other stupid and rebellious things like govt sanctioned slaughter of babies, promoting deviant lifestyle, etc catastrophe has striken our land. While you and your friends were enjoying dinner at the Midway, thousands in America were grieving over the loss of home, property, prosperity, jobs and life. WAKE UP, AMERICA! BUZSAW B 4 U 2 C Y BUZ SAW. The immeasurable present eternally extends the infinite past and infinitely consumes the eternal future.
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PMOC Member (Idle past 5784 days) Posts: 41 From: USA Joined: |
Jerry Falwell lives!
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lyx2no Member (Idle past 4747 days) Posts: 1277 From: A vast, undifferentiated plane. Joined: |
I spent my high school years in SoCo. It was always on fire. I went from there to Arizona where a thousand lightening strikes is called an afternoon in July. If this is the best God can do let him bring it. Kind of like your arguments against Gay marriage.
Kindly There is a spider by the water pipe.
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kjsimons Member Posts: 822 From: Orlando,FL Joined: Member Rating: 5.7 |
Over 1000 lightning strikes over the state in one day with no rain on America's first official gay honeymoon weekend And he didn't hit even one gay couple! I've got to wonder about your god if he's batting 0.0 after over a thousand at bats!
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Taz Member (Idle past 3322 days) Posts: 5069 From: Zerus Joined: |
Muahahahaha, Buz. I hope your congregation got a good laugh out of your joke there.
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New Cat's Eye Inactive Member |
From Message 333
quote: However, "marriage" is defined as the union of people of the same race.
But it wasn't. The RIA said that whites can't marry non-whites. Not that marriage is of the same race.
If it's a piece of crap when applied to race, why does it suddenly become legitimate when applied to sexual orientation?
It isn't applied to sexual orientation. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, marriage is to the opposite sex. From Message 334 So how is it not a violation of the 14th Amendment to have restrictions based upon sexual orientation? There aren't restrictions based on sexual orientation.
That's what Lawrence v. Texas and Romer v. Evans found. Are you saying those cases were decided incorrectly? How many times do I have to directly ask you that question before you answer?
No, those cases were not decided incorrectly.
And your argument is the exact same one that was used to deny interracial marriage. But Loving v. Virginia declared that to be bogus. Its not the exact same. Marriage hasn't always been defined as between the same race as it has been between different sexes. Loving v. Virginia declared the RIA to be unconstitutional, which it was, because it was restriction based on race. There is not a restriction for marriage based on sexual orientation. The same definition of marriage is applied equally to everyone and that is that it is between opposite sexes. There isn't anything unconstitutional about that. From Message 335 So when your gut tells you to deny for others that which you demand for yourself, you decide to go with it? Other people's rights should depend upon your squick factor? Of course not. We have a Constitution.
And exactly how is the denial of rights not to be taken personally? If a right isn't there in the first place, then I'm not denying it. The Constitution doesn't grant people the right to have a marriage with someone of the same sex. From Message 336 I'm concerned with the 1000+ laws in the United States that refer to Marriage explicitly. When they were written, they were understood to be same-race unions. No, they weren't.
If it's a piece of crap when applied to race, how does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation?
Why type the same response into multiple messages? Again, there is nothing WRT marriage that is applied to sexual orientation.
What, specifically, would be "redefined"? Loving v. Virginia did not find a right to "interracial marriage." Instead, it found a fundamental right to "marriage." Are you saying Loving v. Virginia was wrongly decided? Nope. The RIA was unconstitutional.
Are you saying fundamental rights can be abridged on the basis of sexual orientation? Then how do you explain Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas? Are you saying those cases were wrongly decided? Nope. Marriage is not abridge on the basis of sexual orientation.
quote: Huh? What "ramifications"? Exactly what would change in the contract of marriage by not restricting it on the basis of the sex of the participants? Exactly what "loop-holes" are you referring to that don't already exist? Exactly what is it you expect gay people to do that straight people don't already do? You seem to be saying that gay people are more likely to be criminals and scoundrels than straight people. And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot. No. I know why I'm being tagged a bigot. Its because my opponents are hateful idoits who would rather try to make me look bad than understand my actual position. I'm not saying that gay people are more likely to be criminals and scoundrels than straight people. In fact, I'm really only worried about the straight people finding and exploiting loop-holes. From Message 339 Catholic Scientist writes:
quote: This would be where you would explain what it is you expect gay people to do that straight people don't already do. You are making it sound as if gay people are more likely to be criminals or scoundrels than straight people. And you wonder why you keep getting tagged as a bigot. What's the point in writing the same post into multiple messages? You're annoying and wasting band-width. No. I know why I'm being tagged a bigot. Its because my opponents are hateful idoits who would rather try to make me look bad than understand my actual position. I'm not saying that gay people are more likely to be criminals and scoundrels than straight people. In fact, I'm really only worried about the straight people finding and exploiting loop-holes. From Message 340 Yes, it was. That's why whites couldn't marry blacks. But Loving v. Virginia didn't find a right to "interracial marriage." Instead, it found a right simply to "marriage." Are you saying Loving v. Virginia was wrongly decided? How many times do I have to directly ask you that before you answer? Since fundamental rights cannot be abridged on the basis of race, the laws that prevented marriage on the basis of the race of the participants is not allowed. So if it's a piece of crap when applied to race, why does it suddenly gain legitimacy when applied to sexual orientation? Are you saying Romer v. Evans and Lawrence v. Texas were wrongly decided? How many times do I have to directly ask you that before you answer?
Again!? Christ man, what is your problem?
It necessarily is when they say so directly on the floor of Congress. You did actually look up the comments of the people I directed you to, yes? Nope. Re-link them. You just posted, like, 25 messages in 2 hours. FYI, I probably read less than half of your posts.
quote: There can be only one?
Huh?
quote: Well, he is a Baptist.... Yes, Democrats voted for DOMA, but do you really need to be reminded that only one Republican voted against it...and that that single Repbulican happened to be gay?
Whether or not it was for religious reasons isn't really that important to my position.
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Straggler Member (Idle past 96 days) Posts: 10333 From: London England Joined: |
Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, marriage is to the opposite sex. Why? Marriage is a human construct. Surely it is up to people to decide what the term marriage means and how it applies. If there is a justified argument for saying that any consenting couple can get married regardless of sex, race, fertility, height, weight, religion, favorite food etc. etc. etc. Then why not let any consenting couple get married?
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Sexual orientation has nothing to do with it. It doesn't matter if you're gay or straight, marriage is to the opposite sex. Why? Why is it that way? I dunno, that's how its always been.
Marriage is a human construct. Surely it is up to people to decide what the term marriage means and how it applies. If there is a justified argument for saying that any consenting couple can get married regardless of sex, race, fertility, height, weight, religion, favorite food etc. etc. etc. Sure.
Then why not let any consenting couple get married? Because all the laws that explicitly refer to marriage we're written in a way that presumed that the marriages would be between opposite sexes. Its not that big of a deal really though. There's a few ways to get it (same sex marriages) done.
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DrJones* Member Posts: 2290 From: Edmonton, Alberta, Canada Joined: Member Rating: 7.6 |
The fires aren't out yet.
There are fires in California? How shocking, truly thats something that has never ever ever happened before.
should tell America something about the existence of Jehovah god and what his word says about gay lifestyle
That if he does exist he's shooting blanks.
God has blessed America above all nations.
Seriously Buz up here in the best country on Earth we've had gay marriage for a couple of years now and god hasn't cursed us with anything, maybe he's pissed at you for other reasons. soon I discovered that this rock thing was true Jerry Lee Lewis was the devil Jesus was an architect previous to his career as a prophet All of a sudden i found myself in love with the world And so there was only one thing I could do Was ding a ding dang my dang along ling long - Jesus Built my Hotrod Ministry Live every week like it's Shark Week! - Tracey Jordan Just a monkey in a long line of kings. - Matthew Good If "elitist" just means "not the dumbest motherfucker in the room", I'll be an elitist! - Get Your War On *not an actual doctor
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ramoss Member (Idle past 642 days) Posts: 3228 Joined: |
So,
I think that either gays can marry gays, and get the legal protections provided any other couple, or that the government get out of the marriage business all togather, and only provide 'civil' contracts. My advice, if you don't like the idea of gay marriage, don't marry one. It's been 4 years since gay marriage was allowed in Massachusetts. So for, the world hasn't ended, and nothing unusual happened there.
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Jaderis Member (Idle past 3456 days) Posts: 622 From: NY,NY Joined: |
Over 1000 lightning strikes over the state in one day with no rain on America's first official gay honeymoon weekend, Really? America's first official gay honeymoon weekend? I think the citizens of Massachusetts might be surprised to know that they are not a part of America.
nearly twice the strikes in Ca all of 2007 should tell America something about the existence of Jehovah god That he has abysmally poor aim? Really Buz, why didn't your god hit San Francisco or even Sacramento (where the CA Supreme Court building is)? Why is it that the fires are in areas which are plagued by wildfires EVERY YEAR?
The fires aren't out yet. And they'll not be out for the rest of the fire season in CA. And then they'll be back next year, just like they have been there every year.
God has blessed America above all nations. As with Israel, when the God blessed nation thumbs it's nose at God the blessings go and the catastrophes emerge. Whenever our govt undermines God's messianic nation, Israel and when we do other stupid and rebellious things like govt sanctioned slaughter of babies, promoting deviant lifestyle, etc catastrophe has striken our land. Natural disasters have been occurring everywhere for all time. CA has had wildfires and earthquakes, the midwest floodplains have had floods, the coasts have been hit by hurricanes. There are volcanic eruptions, tornadoes, tsunamis, droughts, etc. All have been happening well before the issue of gay marriage and abortion were decided by our government. Funny thing is, Massachusetts (you know, that other gay marriage state) has had a peaceful few years. I know of no natural catastrophes there since they instituted gay marriage, do you? But then again, they aren't prone to them in the first place...except the occasional nor'easter or the very rare hurricane (usually the remnants of much more powerful storms in the south, tho). It seems, Buz, that your god acts just like nature. If your god really wanted to impress he could either have bombarded CA with a catastrophic ice storm in the middle of the summer (or something, anything out of the ordinary)...or he could have just had better aim and struck down all of the "deviants" where they stood. Even I, godless, heathen, pervert that I am, would have stood up and taken notice at something like that! But, he didn't, so it just looks like it is nature going about it's usual business, except now there are more people in the way. Hmmm...maybe your god doesn't want us to build houses in areas prone to wildfires or floods or major hurricanes? Nah...it's gotta be the fags getting hitched. "You are metaphysicians. You can prove anything by metaphysics; and having done so, every metaphysician can prove every other metaphysician wrong--to his own satisfaction. You are anarchists in the realm of thought. And you are mad cosmos-makers. Each of you dwells in a cosmos of his own making, created out of his own fancies and desires. You do not know the real world in which you live, and your thinking has no place in the real world except in so far as it is phenomena of mental aberration." -The Iron Heel by Jack London "Hazards exist that are not marked" - some bar in Chelsea
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NOT JULIUS Member (Idle past 4505 days) Posts: 219 From: Rome Joined: |
Hi S,
quote: I think you miss the point. Man made laws should not go against natural laws. It is NOT about natural things in general vs. unnatural things. Its about laws. Natural law says that no man should do violence (e.g rape) to his fellow or he/she'll suffer consequence. So, the law penalizing rape is perfectly in harmony with natural law. Natural laws says that males are made for females--their genitals, their temperament, their aspirations (e.g their need to procreate with the opposite sex whom they love) are complementary to each other. So, human laws limiting marriage to a man and woman is in harmony with natural law. Coversely, same sex marriage is against natural law. Edited by Great J, : No reason given.
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Humble Junior Member (Idle past 5784 days) Posts: 3 Joined: |
I live my life based on my own laws.(Not recommended to do to mindless irrational people, or devoutly religious ones.)
Basically, if I wouldn't want it to happen to me, I don't want it to happen to them. I wouldn't want gay people, if they were the majority, to ban heterosexual marriage, so I won't want to ban homosexual marriage. Problem solved.
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