[QUOTE]Originally posted by John Paul:
[b]Joe Meert:
Snipped all the nonsense about abiogenesis.
John Paul:
I agree. Abiogenesis is nonsense.[/QUOTE]
We have to remember that subtleties are lost on JP.
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Joe Meert:
Ken Miller's response was more than adequate.
John Paul:
Not even close to adequate unless you are an evolutionist already.
Take that, Joe! JP makes another substantial comment.
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Joe Meert:
Evolution can be observed in the lab and in the field.
John Paul:
How many times do I have to say this- evolution isn't the debate. What is debated is the starting point, the extent and the apparent direction of evolution.
Okay! Back to the semantic debates of JP (Yawn). Remember, everyone, we have to spell everything out for JP. Simply saying "evolution" is not enough. Make sure you have all of the appropriate modifiers...
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Joe Meert:
That is part of the reason that it is not under scientific debate. For other questions in evolution, there are not any answers (yet).
John Paul:
If there aren't any answers it shouldn't be taught as if there were.
Except that it does answer plenty of other questions regarding the fossil record and that astounding fossil sorting.
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Joe Meert:
For abiogenesis, there are no clear cut answers, but people are thinking and testing ideas of how life got started.
John Paul:
That's great. Theoretical musing on alleged past events gets us what?
Hmm, and what exactly do you have, JP?
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Joe Meert:
Basically, you are faulting science for not answering everything and rejecting out-of-hand the evidence that has been presented for evolution.
John Paul:
That is incorrect. I am faulting evolutionists for pushing something that can't be objectively tested. That's it.
JP, we quit testing evolution a long time ago. It is now accepted as a scientific fact. I hate to rain on your parade, but nobody is trying to "prove evolution" any more.
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Joe Meert:
No one can stop you from closing your eyes, ears and mind to the evidence.
John Paul:
In reality my eyes, ears and mind are wide open. It is evolutionists that have theirs closed.
Ouch, a staggering rebuke!
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Joe Meert:
No one can stop you from posting this same 'challenge' on every discussion board you can find. Mostly, no one can stop you from pretending your 'challenge' disproves evolution as a science.
John Paul:
All I am doing is trying to find out how to objectively test the theory of evolution. It doesn't appear that you can help me.
Hmm, let me guess. How about the same way you test ID?
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Joe Meert:
What we can do, is ask you to study the literature and come back with a scientifically publishable refutation of that evidence.
John Paul:
I have studied the literature. Guess what? No one has a way to objectively test the ToE.
No, no, no, JP; not the creationist websites! Real, peer-reviewed scientific literature!
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Joe Meert:
Chat board challenges such as these are limited in their utility (for either side). I'm surprised Ken Miller gave you that long of an answer since I am sure he knew you would reject anything he said anyway!
John Paul:
Glad to see you wasted your time with this non-response. Something I have come to expect from you. Ken Miller couldn't answer me if his life depended on it.
JP start with a bang. Glad to have you back wasting all of our time with this post, JP.
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Does anyone care to at least try to answer the questions I posted?
(Yawn) You mean, again? We've been through all of this before JP.