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Parasomnium
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Message 31 of 64 (105502)
05-05-2004 10:04 AM
Reply to: Message 30 by RingoKid
05-05-2004 8:43 AM


{dictionary definitions}
So you know how to use a dictionary. I'm impressed. Keep looking.
quote:
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'taking God out of the equation' is an expression
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an expression of what...doubt, uncertainty ???
Nice wordplay. But you may not realise that what you ask is more to the point than you think. Taking God out of the equation is among the effects of doing science. And one of the pillars of the scientific method is, indeed, doubt/uncertainty. So your deliberate misinterpretation of the word 'expression' has unwittingly led you to produce a rather sensible thought.
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we do know enough to take God out of at least some of the equations. And guess what? Without God, those equations work even better.
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Which equations ???
Pssst... I'll let you in on a secret of rhetoric: don't overextend your metaphors. I did just that, and look what happened to your poor circuitry.
Now will you please stop moaning about those equations?
BTW can you recommend any good books on logic preferably ones you've read ???
"An Investigation of the Laws of Thought: On Which Are Founded The Mathematical Theories of Logic and Probabilities", by George Boole. Since you seem to prefer old books, that's the one I'd start with.
Did you hear about the dyslexic Satanist? He sold his soul to Santa.

"It's amazing what you can learn from DNA." - Desdamona.

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jar
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Message 32 of 64 (105505)
05-05-2004 10:10 AM
Reply to: Message 31 by Parasomnium
05-05-2004 10:04 AM


What does...
a dyslexic insomniac agnostic do?
He sits up all night and wonders if there really is a DOG.

Aslan is not a Tame Lion

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Parasomnium
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Message 33 of 64 (105517)
05-05-2004 10:37 AM
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05-05-2004 10:10 AM


Re: What does...
Pssst... jar! Look back one page...

"It's amazing what you can learn from DNA." - Desdamona.

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1.61803
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Message 34 of 64 (105522)
05-05-2004 11:30 AM
Reply to: Message 18 by Parasomnium
05-04-2004 10:27 AM


Parasomnium writes:
What is this? Some sort of DIY theology?
This made me laugh..thanks.

"One is punished most for ones virtues" Fredrick Neitzche

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 35 of 64 (108425)
05-15-2004 4:16 PM
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04-27-2004 10:07 AM


Atos quote:
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Why would a god "heal" so many people who attend a freaky revival, but god kills this good minister with Lou Gehrigs disease?
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Why even bother asking this phony question ?
You have already answered it - there is no such Person as God and no such thing as Divine healing. You made your point, now go on and get lost.
Has it ever crossed your mind that God doesn't give a shit about you ?
It is apparent to me.

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crashfrog
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Message 36 of 64 (108470)
05-15-2004 8:43 PM
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05-15-2004 4:16 PM


Has it ever crossed your mind that God doesn't give a shit about you ?
Has it ever crossed your mind that if God's going to be a petty little pissant, he's not worth bothering with?
Why do you even bother worshipping a God that acts like such an asshole?

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RingoKid
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Message 37 of 64 (108700)
05-16-2004 8:16 PM
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05-15-2004 8:43 PM


...because he has a good marketing and PR division and people are so gullible
My God has a sense of humour so he acts like an asshole just to piss guys like you off...

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crashfrog
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Message 38 of 64 (108728)
05-17-2004 12:14 AM
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05-16-2004 8:16 PM


My God has a sense of humour so he acts like an asshole just to piss guys like you off...
I'm sure that's what Job thought, too - "Ha ha! Killing my entire family, reducing me to ruin, and inflicting horrible diseases on my person! Really got me that time, huh? Good one, God!"

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1.61803
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Message 39 of 64 (108806)
05-17-2004 12:54 PM
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05-17-2004 12:14 AM


Trading Places biblical style
Ya Crash kinda reminds me of that scene in "Trading Places"
where the 2 Duke brothers bet 1 dollar and totally ruin Eddie Murphy and Dan Akyroid's lives.
God : "I bet he wont curse me." Devil: "I bet he will if ya rain down some agony on him." Thats some message.

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Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 40 of 64 (108832)
05-17-2004 3:03 PM
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05-15-2004 8:43 PM


Crashfrog quote:
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Why do you even bother worshipping a God that acts like such an asshole?
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What action are you referring to ?

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RingoKid
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Message 41 of 64 (108902)
05-17-2004 7:58 PM
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05-17-2004 12:14 AM


Job is generally regarded as a fictional character...
...google >> book of job fictional <<
It's funny for someone who doesn't believe in God to believe in a fictional character who God interacted with...
BTW...If God didn't have a sense of humour you wouldn't have a clown for a president and through all the suffering happening to us (the human race) in the present it will make us stronger and wiser in the future
the lessons are for the living...

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crashfrog
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Message 42 of 64 (108968)
05-18-2004 1:39 AM
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05-17-2004 3:03 PM


What action are you referring to ?
The actions you ascribed to him - you know, not giving a shit about certain people out of spite.

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crashfrog
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Message 43 of 64 (108969)
05-18-2004 1:40 AM
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05-17-2004 7:58 PM


It's funny for someone who doesn't believe in God to believe in a fictional character who God interacted with...
That would be pretty funny, except I don't believe that.

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MonkeyBoy
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Message 44 of 64 (108993)
05-18-2004 8:45 AM
Reply to: Message 35 by Cold Foreign Object
05-15-2004 4:16 PM


Chapter and verse, please
Has it ever crossed your mind that God doesn't give a shit about you ?
Are you a bible believing christian, WT? If so, would you please offer up a few verses that backs this up? I thought that (as it is says in John 3:16) God loved the World so much that according to the christian faith, he died for us.
Does that sound like someone that "doesn't give a shit" about you?

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Message 45 of 64 (109053)
05-18-2004 3:04 PM
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05-18-2004 8:45 AM


Re: Chapter and verse, please
Your entire post ASSUMES that God loves everyone.
John 3:16 reveals that God paid the price for the sins of the whole world (everyone in it) in order to get the treasure out of it. That treasure is the focus of faith from those who respond to His redemption.
In other words, the capacity to love everyone is there, but God does not love everyone, the individual must respond to God's love via "believing in Him". Other passages in scripture reveal that the desire to want to come to God/Christ can only originate from God, therefore if a person truly has no desire for God then the reason is because God is not drawing them.
Hebrews says "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated".
It means what it says - like it or not.
People whom God has rejected for their premeditated rejection of Him all have a common denominator: They simply don't care about God or what He thinks of them.
Desire for God, no matter how miniscule means God still wants you.
The erroneous traditional belief of mainstream christianity is that a person can decide/pull the trigger with God whenever they want. The risk is that God may not want you......"whosoever wills may come".....
....your "willer" won't will - it is controlled by God.
Whats the point ?
Don't trifle with God. He may give up on you - His love is not a doormat.
What I said to this troll Atos was to call his/her loaded question about healing for what it was - phony. People like Atos THINK they have rejected a God that is sweating their attention. Quite the contrary, God will court a person and give them chance after chance, but the risk of rejecting God one too many times is that He will cease hounding you. Atos question was a statement revealing his/her spiritual state - the state of an Esau or Saul - both of whom God gave up on.

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