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Author Topic:   Can god heal the sick?
Cold Foreign Object 
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Message 35 of 64 (108425)
05-15-2004 4:16 PM
Reply to: Message 1 by Atos
04-27-2004 10:07 AM


Atos quote:
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Why would a god "heal" so many people who attend a freaky revival, but god kills this good minister with Lou Gehrigs disease?
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Why even bother asking this phony question ?
You have already answered it - there is no such Person as God and no such thing as Divine healing. You made your point, now go on and get lost.
Has it ever crossed your mind that God doesn't give a shit about you ?
It is apparent to me.

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Message 40 of 64 (108832)
05-17-2004 3:03 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by crashfrog
05-15-2004 8:43 PM


Crashfrog quote:
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Why do you even bother worshipping a God that acts like such an asshole?
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What action are you referring to ?

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Message 45 of 64 (109053)
05-18-2004 3:04 PM
Reply to: Message 44 by MonkeyBoy
05-18-2004 8:45 AM


Re: Chapter and verse, please
Your entire post ASSUMES that God loves everyone.
John 3:16 reveals that God paid the price for the sins of the whole world (everyone in it) in order to get the treasure out of it. That treasure is the focus of faith from those who respond to His redemption.
In other words, the capacity to love everyone is there, but God does not love everyone, the individual must respond to God's love via "believing in Him". Other passages in scripture reveal that the desire to want to come to God/Christ can only originate from God, therefore if a person truly has no desire for God then the reason is because God is not drawing them.
Hebrews says "Jacob I loved and Esau I hated".
It means what it says - like it or not.
People whom God has rejected for their premeditated rejection of Him all have a common denominator: They simply don't care about God or what He thinks of them.
Desire for God, no matter how miniscule means God still wants you.
The erroneous traditional belief of mainstream christianity is that a person can decide/pull the trigger with God whenever they want. The risk is that God may not want you......"whosoever wills may come".....
....your "willer" won't will - it is controlled by God.
Whats the point ?
Don't trifle with God. He may give up on you - His love is not a doormat.
What I said to this troll Atos was to call his/her loaded question about healing for what it was - phony. People like Atos THINK they have rejected a God that is sweating their attention. Quite the contrary, God will court a person and give them chance after chance, but the risk of rejecting God one too many times is that He will cease hounding you. Atos question was a statement revealing his/her spiritual state - the state of an Esau or Saul - both of whom God gave up on.

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Message 47 of 64 (109078)
05-18-2004 4:26 PM
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05-18-2004 4:21 PM


Re: Chapter and verse, please
"hounding"....."hound" is me borrowing from poetry. God is called the "Hound of heaven".....it is complimentary....like a mother who hounds after her kids. Come on Monkey must I explain every little thing !?!?

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Message 53 of 64 (109109)
05-18-2004 6:29 PM
Reply to: Message 48 by MonkeyBoy
05-18-2004 4:37 PM


Re: Chapter and verse, please
Yes, it is better.
In fact, I withdraw any negative correlation that I made ascribing you with what I interpreted that avatar to mean/indicate.

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Message 54 of 64 (109112)
05-18-2004 6:33 PM
Reply to: Message 51 by Sylas
05-18-2004 5:30 PM


Re: The Hound of Heaven
I am truly impressed.
Thanks Sylas, this debate needed what you said.
We are now even, you owe me nothing for getting you on the fast track to Admin halls.

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