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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
I only need those parts that apply to me. So you're picking out parts of the Qu'ran that support your twisted interpretation and ignoring the rest? Since I'm sure you hate when people do that with the Bible, why do you think that's an appropriate way to interpret the Qu'ran?
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
I'm not even a little bit interested in how people interpret the bible, only in what it means to me and what it means to me I come here to share. I am however very interested in what certain peoples are taught from their 'scriptures' that spells injury to me. The suras I posted are explicit, read them. They are not an invitation to tea. Christianity has nothing similar, nothing even close. Christians are not instructed to go and kill everyone not believing the way they do. In fact, Christ's reminder that he has sheep in other flocks, is exquisite.
"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!" 2 Cor. 7:1
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Christians are not instructed to go and kill everyone not believing the way they do.
But your book damn sure instructs the Chosen People (TM) to kill just about everybody they come across, George! They save a few virgin girls for slaves in a case or two, but the verses say "Go kill 'em all, Joshua!" Dammit, man, open your eyes!
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crashfrog Member (Idle past 1496 days) Posts: 19762 From: Silver Spring, MD Joined: |
Christianity has nothing similar, nothing even close. quote: Christians are not instructed to go and kill everyone not believing the way they do. Oh? Maybe you want to ask the Canaanites about that.
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arachnophilia Member (Idle past 1373 days) Posts: 9069 From: god's waiting room Joined: |
Matt 22: 43-46. Jesus said he is the 'Son', not just of David, but from a source that made him David's lord eand that this had been so even when David uttered the words of Psalm 110 jesus asks the pharisees whose son christ is. by christ he's talking about the messiah. he is not directly talking about himself, and saying he's the messiah. notice that the pharisees respond, saying he's ben dabid. they're not saying that jesus is of the family of david, they're saying the messiah they are expecting is. the messiah david is speaking of in psalm 110 is probably not jesus. let's read.
quote: have a good look at verses 5 and 6. did jesus do that?
Jsus the Messiah is decribed with divinity inthe old Testament Isiah 7:14 and shall call his name Immanuel (God with us)Isiah 9 : 6 He will be called wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God.. well, first of all, "god with us" in a name doesn't mean anything at all. traditionally, a lot of people in the old testament were named with things that gave people a message about god. a name saying that god is with us, and has not forgotten about us, is not the same as saying someone IS god. the only way to do that would be to name the child yhvh, which would be strictly forbidden. second, isaiah is not talking about jesus. immanuel was the name of a prophesied messiah to save the hebrews from the assyrians. he would have been a military leader (as the rest of that chapter asserts) and his name would actually have been immanuel. not jesus. immanuel. jesus is called this once in matthew, and it's the only two places the name appears in the bible. it appears the author of matthew had read parts of isaiah, seeing as how he quotes it as out of context as you just did.
Philemon 2:6 Jesus was.. in the form of God.. philemon only has one chapter. let's check philippians.
quote: etc. things people write about jesus are nice and all. but being charged with a sin, how responsible is it to point to the next guy and go "he did it too!" you know, the bible doesn't get 4 chapters in before it deals with that.
Mark 14 : 62 Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? 62 I am, said Jesus. And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. the son of god is not the same as god. adam was the son of god. david was the son of god. we are all sons of god in some respect, all being members and products of his creation. notice also he says at the right hand of the mighty one? not in the place of. not the same as. next to, and below. different gospels tell this story a little differently. matthew and luke both having saying "you say that i am" and then saying that. it almost sounds like "you're the one who's putting me there, not me" again, he doesn't call himself god, and he doesn't even call himself the son of god. he calls himself the son of man.
I AM to this answer is using God's name YHWH speaking god's name aloud, unless for teaching purposes his blasphemy. writting god's name, unless for teaching purposes, or in copying the torah, is blasphemy. do you think christ did either of these things? if he actually said "i am" which is doubtful at best, he said it in aramaic. god's "name" is hebrew for "that which exists," which often gets told as "i am." hebrew and aramaic are different languages. "i am" is used a number of times in the christian bible. how many imply god's name? jesus was answering a question. he said, at the very most, that he was the son of god.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
Just about everybody?
If you are referring to the extermination of the eight tribes of Canaan, then you should know why the chosen were told to do so. The koran does not apply to me, except where it says that those who believe it should kill me, that applies to me. "Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!" 2 Cor. 7:1
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
man you are nuts. anything, say anything just to be counter and throw a wedge. thoughless diatribe without concern for how you are perceived. Ignorant of the depths you must travel to understand the depths to be achieved to understand the ramifications of the word of God and its results. Go take a shit in the middle of the street. You are clearly able to handle that.
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
I know exactly "why the chosen were told to do so" - a fictional massacre of the occupants of the land you took sounds kind of mean until you dress it up with a little moral authority. (A real massacre, like the US visited on the Indians, is even worse, despite the dressing up we used to give it.)
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Coragyps Member (Idle past 764 days) Posts: 5553 From: Snyder, Texas, USA Joined: |
Go take a shit in the middle of the street.
You left your sig about "filthiness" off....
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
oops
"Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!" 2 Cor. 7:1
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
and you immediately opened your bible and read from the beginning, let's say Abraham, and followed the trail to that very moment the Canaanites became marked. Yes?
Don't do it. You are confused enough. "Let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit!" 2 Cor. 7:1
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Hangdawg13 Member (Idle past 780 days) Posts: 1189 From: Texas Joined: |
jesus asks the pharisees whose son christ is. by christ he's talking about the messiah. he is not directly talking about himself, and saying he's the messiah. I wonder why... maybe its because people tend to think you're nuts when you go around talking about yourself as "the Christ". He wanted them to answer objectively, which they would not do if he referred to himself first as the Christ.
they're not saying that jesus is of the family of david, they're saying the messiah they are expecting is. And Jesus WAS of the family of David.
have a good look at verses 5 and 6. did jesus do that? Operation footstool is the 2nd coming of Christ. At the end of the Tribulation Christ will fulfill all of these things.
Isiah 9 : 6 He will be called wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God.. This one is DEFINATELY talking about Christ's 2nd coming: Operation footstool. God will put all his enemies under his feet and then Christ will literally rule for 1000 years. The "government will be on his shoulders."
things people write about jesus are nice and all. but being charged with a sin, how responsible is it to point to the next guy and go "he did it too!" you know, the bible doesn't get 4 chapters in before it deals with that. I have no idea what you're talking about.
again, he doesn't call himself god, and he doesn't even call himself the son of god. he calls himself the son of man. Sigh... I never thought it was possible to so distort the scriptures as to remove Christ's divinity from him, but I guess in your mind you have done so.
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Lithodid-Man Member (Idle past 2960 days) Posts: 504 From: Juneau, Alaska, USA Joined: |
And Jesus WAS of the family of David
I apologize for furthering this off-topic tendency, but how can Jesus be of the family of David if both Matthew and Luke's geneologies (geneologies = Mormons, we're still on topic here ) trace his lineage to Joseph who is NOT Jesus' father? This may sound ignorant to a Bible scholar, but it has always bothered me.
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PecosGeorge Member (Idle past 6902 days) Posts: 863 From: Texas Joined: |
Lineage is determined through the mother. Joseph, however, was also a descendant of David. Read the begats in Matthew 1
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Lithodid-Man Member (Idle past 2960 days) Posts: 504 From: Juneau, Alaska, USA Joined: |
Please again forgive my ignorance, but I am unable to find the lineage of Mary in matthew or elsewhere. Could you please point me to where that is. Thanks for your patience!
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