"The Exodus Revealed" Video II

Assertion: split rock.Refutation: simply typical errosions. I posted pictures of similar erosion from all over the world. No way to connect it to any specific event or the Exodus.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Jar, you too. Please go back and do some reading. That's what we have. There's more than coral down there. That's obvious to anyone who cares to see it. If you don't wish to acknowledge what has been produced, that's your perogerative. It's all been gone over and over and over and over, etc. Imo, it's senseless to repeat it all again.

Again, I repeat repetitive repetition, repetititiously repedted.1. Take a good look at the obviously once solid boulder, split right down the middle, not eroded.
2. Take a look at the rock relative to the other other corroborative evidence. Nothing else on the planet with any sigificance at all.

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

I know this may seem like a rather basic and stupid question, but have there really been chariot wheels discovered in the Red Sea?

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But you're being disingenuously insensitive to all the work and time we all have put into the first thread, not so much by me as the others who've detailed it all. What you are asking for is there to read. Why are you asking us to repeat it again when you can click and read? Do you think that's all we have to do in our busy lives is repeat stuff over and over? Why should this thread need to ramble on page after page with stuff already posted and readable?

We're not sure. All we have is a video and some photos professing to be of chariot wheels in the Gulf of Aqaba. Personally the photos of coral shapes do not look like anything to me until they do the photo layering to superimpose a wheel like shape on top of the coral.What we do not have is mapping of coordinates, measurement devices in the photos, documentation of any presentation to peer review literature, carbon dating testing on any organic wood left in the supposed wheels, or (edited to add) concensus on location of crossing.This message has been edited by Asgara, 08-06-2004 10:57 PM

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Buz.What makes the split rock in the video different from any of the other photos of similar erosion for all over the world? Simple question. First of several on this one specific example.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I repeatedly repeat, Jar. When are you gona get it?1. Yours is obviously preformed and/or eroded. Ours is obviously a one time solid boulder split down the middle.2. Yours and none other in the world have the corroborating evidence to make it significant for the purpose of this thread topic.3. Ours has obvious waterflow evidence as in the Biblical record which your doesn't have.Maybe I should copy and paste this so as to have it ready when again needed as it seems will likely be the case.

In reply to Percy to summarise this thread.
No evidence for Exodus outside Bible
No clear evidence of which time period for the Exodus
No clear evidence of which Pharoah
No evidence of plagues in Egyptian records
No evidence of plagues in records of rival nations
No indication of major departure of slaves in histories of rival nations
No evidence of departure of millions in Egyptian records
No evidence of loss of Pharoah and army in histories of rival nations
No evidence of loss of Pharoah and army in Egyptian records
No evidence of 30K multiplication of Hebrews till departure
No explanation for why 30K factor wasn’t sustained in following centuries
No indication of major passage of two million pedestrians plus livestock in Sinai
No continuous land bridge at shallow depths at Nuweiba
No evidence of why 3.5 millenia artifacts have minor coral growths
No evidence of teredo attacks on wooden artifacts (wheels, buckets?)
No evidence of why bones avoided disintegration from attack by marine organisms
No evidence of why sediment or coral growth failed to bury artifacts in 3.5 millenia
No evidence of disturbance of bottom by storms, currents or natural upheavals
No evidence of how livestock were moved twice their normal distance in one night without loss
No evidence of icebergs reported in Aqaba
No evidence of what Egyptians used to pull their chariots (Exodus 9:6,25)
No evidence of connection between artifacts and Exodus
No evidence that molecular frequency generators ever worked.
No evidence that Egypt ever insisted on return of State artifacts examined by ‘Director’ of Antiquities
No evidence that the Egyptian authorities, renowned for preservation of their heritage, ever put Aqaba off-limits
No evidence why Saudi archaeologists failed to investigate a major event in their religion (Musa, Firon)
No evidence that reputable archaeologists were consulted re the Wyatt/Moller hypothesis through on-site investigations or peer-reviewed journals
No evidence that two million people could cross a land bridge in the face of a wind strong enough to divide water to a depth of 850 meters
No evidence of a 2 million plus livestock wandering in Saudi Arabia.
No evidence of how 2million people plus livestock survived on the meager water supplies available in both Sinai and Saudi Arabia.
No evidence of abundant iron in 18th dynasty for common purposes likes wheels
No evidence we should trust Wyatt statements after claims of Noah`s graves, coloured tablets, blood of Jesus, missing ‘rotten’ chariot wheel
No evidence Moller checked veracity of artifacts
No evidence of chariot ‘buckets’
No evidence of how ‘split rock’ watered two million people plus livestockHang on, there`s a movie coming out to prove it all

BuzLet's discuss the glyphs. The glyphs shown in the video are typical of drawings found all over northern Africa and Arabia dating from about 3000-2000 BCE. I included a similar drawing found in Saudi Arabia, but the style and content was common throughout the area, from Lybia all the way around to Persia.The specific drawings that the video identifies as calves, actually look far more like cattle, Ibex and other antelope.Since the drawings are typical of those from a period about 1000 years before the date for the Exodus asserted in the video, what evidence can any of you provide that they are not just more stone age pictoglyphs? What connection was there to the Exodus? Why would the Hebrews have placed drawings of antelope on what is claimed to be an altar?

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I don't need to prove anything, you are the one makeing the claim. No you havent, you have proven that you have a picture. That picture is a good HYPOTHESIS but now comes the proof part. Head out to the desert and check along that path, look for ancient camp sites, bones, etc.Once found, take them to a lab, examine them, determine where they came from. Start amassing all the evidence you can. Then, once you have examined all the evidence, posit a conclusion which you would then submit to your peers.It would be tossed around, others would go on similar digs, they will coroberate your findings (or not), then once all the dust clears, you can put together a good theory as to your discovery.Capish?

JimMisdirection and shell game again?Moses is one of the Prophets of Islam as well as Christiantiy and Judaism. If they could prove the story of the Exodus as told in the Old Testament it would be confirmation of their religion as well as all the other Judaic religions.Why would they want to prove one of their own prophets wrong or hide evidence that supports their own prophets?But back on topic.I showed you a sample of art from about the time you allege the Exodus occured. I also showed you a sample of rock art dating from about 1000 years earlier. The glyphs that you assert should date from about 1400BCE are far more like those from about 3000 BCE. In addition, many seem to depict cattle, Ibex, Oryx and other members of the antelope family and NONE look like calves.Why would Hebrews place images of Ibex, Oryx and Antelope on an altar that you say was devoted to worshiping and sacrificing calves?What methods were used to date the glyphs?What comparisons with other glyphs throughout the area were done?

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Buz,There is a difference between scientific standards of evidence and what lay people accept. What you are being told is that Wyatt has not conducted a scientific study using standard methodolgy.The artifacts need to be measured and tested and charted. It is the data that is important in it's total relationship, and that is what is not available here. We are telling you this is not a scientific study.Wyatt found something which confirms peoples faith. These objects and the hypothesis he held are taken on faith to prove the bible and bouy the faith of the believers. Fine. But this is not science method, and so it's results are not scientific. Wyatt may be an explorer who has discovered some interesting things, but unless and until the sites are studied according to accepted methodology what you have are some interesting things that some may conjecture are evidence of the exodus, etc. This may constitute proof for a layman, but is does not constitute scientific evidence. You can claim that by faith you believe Wyatt has found all the holy place and object in the bible. I won't dispute that you believe what you believe. But what we are telling you is that Wyatt did not establish scientific evidence to tie his finds in with the exodus crossing.lfen

we are going around in circles here - I have provided a handy template to summaize the evidence - Buzz would prefer to fuddle the issue by makes reference to "primary schools" and the like.Stick ONE of your pieces into my template - you can't get you?This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-07-2004 05:51 AM

It seems that my remark of "bullshiters" caused such angst to our creationist friends that a few of them felt the need to e-mail me and call me to task on my choise of words.I would like it to be known that I don't consider all creationists to bullshitters - only those who carry on with such nonsense like this.That is all.