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AdminNosy
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Message 16 of 124 (131601)
08-08-2004 1:02 PM
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08-08-2004 12:54 PM


T O P I C !!
Stop it Coragyps!
WT is trying very hard to get this away from the specific claim under discusstion. LLM is what we are talking about, only.

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Message 17 of 124 (131624)
08-08-2004 2:06 PM
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08-08-2004 1:02 PM


Re: T O P I C !!
Sorry...

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Message 18 of 124 (131698)
08-08-2004 7:58 PM
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08-08-2004 1:02 PM


Re: T O P I C !!
Admin:
When did the FIRST appearance of LLM arise and what was the context ?
I say the answer is not a matter of opinion, that the LLM first appeared in the context of a center of world land area claim.
The LLM claim resides within the center claim as explained and evidenced in Message 5.
thanks,
WT

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Message 19 of 124 (131703)
08-08-2004 8:25 PM
Reply to: Message 18 by Cold Foreign Object
08-08-2004 7:58 PM


LLM and Land Area
As has been noted. The LLM and land area claims are independent. This means that one may be true and the other false, both false or both true. There is no connection.
If you wish to show that they are not independent then please start a land area thread and start off by showing how the LLM is related to the land area claim. Perhaps there is some mathematics available showing how they must be related. I don't see how that is the case.
The LLM and land area claims were both stated in a paragraph. That does not make them otherwise related.
If you wish to show evidence for the land area claim please start a topic on that. It has been noted before that the land area claim requires a lot more work to refute it. No one is willing to do that if you don't do the work to show how it is calculated to support the claim.
The LLM claim required less work to refute. You still haven't acknowledged the work done. This topic is about the LLM. You have an outstanding question regarding the distance from the GP to the mediterranean sea. Why do you have a problem answering it?
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Message 20 of 124 (131716)
08-08-2004 10:07 PM
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08-08-2004 7:58 PM


Re: T O P I C !!
EvC Forum: PROOF OF GOD
Your post 30 of the original thread was the first reference to meridians and parallels
The north-south axis (31 degrees 9' meridian east Greenwich) is the longest land meridian, and the east-west axis (29 degrees 58'51' north), the longest land parallel.

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Message 21 of 124 (132316)
08-10-2004 9:47 AM
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08-08-2004 7:58 PM


Re: T O P I C !!
Hi, WillowTree!
If you could just confirm that this first line of the table represents the approximately 112 miles from the GP to the Mediterranean coast of Egypt along a meridian through the GP's apex, we can move on to the next line:
Longitude: 31.134458
Latitude Start: 29.978810
Latitude End: 31.595859
Distance (miles): 111.73
--Percy

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Message 22 of 124 (132503)
08-10-2004 7:17 PM
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08-08-2004 7:58 PM


Re: T O P I C !!
ba ba bump...
Hi WT,
There is this question regarding "Proof of God" which still remains unanswered:
Percy writes:
If you could just confirm that this first line of the table represents the approximately 112 miles from the GP to the Mediterranean coast of Egypt along a meridian through the GP's apex, we can move on to the next line:
Longitude: 31.134458
Latitude Start: 29.978810
Latitude End: 31.595859
Distance (miles): 111.73
I'll be happy to point you towards some online resources and/or geodetic information if you currently have difficulties in measuring this yourself.
Cheers.

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Message 23 of 124 (132508)
08-10-2004 7:23 PM
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08-10-2004 7:17 PM


No one to pick up the flag?
WT, hasn't been around much and I guess no one else believes this stuff. That leaves it just sitting until WT can figure out how far the GP is from the coast, I guess.

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Message 24 of 124 (132511)
08-10-2004 7:28 PM
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08-10-2004 7:23 PM


Re: No one to pick up the flag?
WTs around. He's posted in the Dating Exodus thread today. Ofcourse he did cite Velikovsky as his source for dating Exodus over there so I guess he's dropped the idea of using the GP.

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Message 25 of 124 (132589)
08-10-2004 11:41 PM
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08-10-2004 7:28 PM


No Willowtree?
I guess he gave up. Since the GP being 112 miles from the sea is more arithmetic than he can handle. He's finally figured out that he's out of his depth with this.

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Message 26 of 124 (132590)
08-10-2004 11:42 PM
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08-10-2004 9:47 AM


Re: T O P I C !!
If you could just confirm that this first line of the table represents the approximately 112 miles from the GP to the Mediterranean coast of Egypt along a meridian through the GP's apex, we can move on to the next line:
Longitude: 31.134458
Latitude Start: 29.978810
Latitude End: 31.595859
Distance (miles): 111.73
Percy:
Could you give me some advice as to how to confirm ?
How did you confirm ?
thanks,
WT

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Message 27 of 124 (132604)
08-11-2004 12:10 AM
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08-10-2004 11:42 PM


Confirming
You could find an atlas and just measure it to get a rough idea. The bigger the scale the closer you can get.
If that isn't good enough for you to feel comfortable you can ask Lindum for the mapping references. I don't know why he didn't post them in the first place. That was silly.
I used MS MapPoint which isn't as precise as Lindum's software for sure. I don't know what else there is.

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Message 28 of 124 (132609)
08-11-2004 12:23 AM
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08-11-2004 12:10 AM


Re: Confirming
Why would I leave the safety of my best source Message 5 and depart from the totality of his explanations ?
Even so, a longer LLM apart from Message 5 is meaningless ?

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Message 29 of 124 (132617)
08-11-2004 12:36 AM
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08-11-2004 12:23 AM


LLM claim
The LLM claim is one of several. It is easier to check out than some. If it is wrong the others may still be right. However, if it is wrong I would become more suspicious of the other unsupported claims of that source. Wouldn't you become suspicious if a used car salesman lied to you about one car? Would be you so inclined to believe him again?
You already understand that you can't actually check out all the claims. For some you'd have to go to the GP yourself.
Since you want to know what is right and what is wrong but can't check everything, don't you want to check out what you can for yourself? The LLM is about the easiest.
As for others the LLP should be about as easy.
The concavity given the radius of the earth seems to be dead based on the figures that have been given by your sources.
That will be 3 out of 7 (or 8?).
Then, when you produce the back up for the land area claim we can examine it too. There have been no numbers produced as yet.
Oh, I almost forgot, the Nile delta one seems to be suspect since the map it is based on doesn't match the photo taken from the shuttle.
But let's just take it one at a time.
Why would I leave the safety of my best source Message 5 and depart from the totality of his explanations ?
Because he has given no support what so ever for the LLM claim. He has supplied nothing but an assertion. It is, after all, possible that he is wrong. You'd like to know that wouldn't you?
Even so, a longer LLM apart from Message 5 is meaningless ?
Why is that? Even if the only thing that was true was the LLM claim that would still be a pretty neat coincidence at the least.
If both the LLM claim AND the LLP claim were true and the others were all false that would REALLY be very interesting and somewhat astonishing. I wouldn't consider it meaningless at all.
As you add more and more in as true it would be more and more "interesting". LOL, to say the least.
What I think we will get to is about half the claims shown to be false and the other half uncheckable.

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Percy
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Message 30 of 124 (132738)
08-11-2004 10:26 AM
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08-10-2004 11:42 PM


Re: T O P I C !!
WillowTree writes:
Could you give me some advice as to how to confirm ?
How did you confirm ?
I have an atlas of the world. I turned to the Egypt page and, using the latitude and longitude lines on the map, found these two points:
Latitude 29.978810, Longitude 31.134458 (apex of GP)
Latitude 31.595859, Longitude 31.134458 (Mediterranean coast of Egypt)
Once I identified the two points ont the map, I took a ruler and measured the distance between them. Then, using the key that tells how many miles to the inch, I converted from inches to miles.
Note that this isn't as accurate as Lindum who did this electronically, but if any of Lindum's numbers are off by more than a few miles, we should be able to tell. Or if he missed some points along the meridian, we'll be able to tell that, too.
If you don't have a world atlas, perhaps there are some on-line resources you could use.
--Percy

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