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Topic: The Problem of Evil
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 4 of 111 (132378)
08-10-2004 1:56 PM
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Reply to: Message 3 by Jasonb 08-10-2004 1:52 PM
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Wrong on two counts
So basically evil wasn’t created by God, it is simply a state where God's grace is not present. Isaiah 45:7: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Unless you know better than God? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-10-2004 01:01 PM
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 7 of 111 (132392)
08-10-2004 2:26 PM
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Reply to: Message 6 by Jasonb 08-10-2004 2:23 PM
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Re: Wrong on two counts
That version is only used in one particular bible - the rest all use evil (well expect for a couple that use PREPARE - even worse or SEND - worse again!) I'm not bothered who you defer to - either the word of God is correct as presented in the bible or not. If you have to make a value judgement about which one to follow, how do you know? also God clear says that he FORMS light and CREATES evil - two seperate things. Now either God is correct or science is - who's it to be? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-10-2004 01:34 PM
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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not silly questions at all - your english is very good! It's basically to do with control and guilt - to make you obey otherwise something bad will happen to you.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 23 of 111 (132679)
08-11-2004 4:08 AM
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Reply to: Message 14 by Jasonb 08-10-2004 5:54 PM
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Could you actually be Charles Knight in disguise? -Pause While Everyone Gasps- If not I apologize, but then again I wouldn’t put anything past some of the people on this board. It works like this - if you have some evidence to support that slur on Tel's and my name - let's hear it. I suspect the gasp you heard was people thinking about your level of stupidity. this site logs IP ranges, mine will fall into a range assigned to the British isles. How about this, you get a mod to check, then you crawl back here to make a proper apology. This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-11-2004 03:09 AM This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-11-2004 03:16 AM
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Let's get back to it - it seems listening to our christian chums - Evil is the absence of God (and he's not present in Hell either). So they are saying that he's not all-present, that there are pockets in the universe when he either can't go or has abided his responsibilities.
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 41 of 111 (132845)
08-11-2004 1:30 PM
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Reply to: Message 38 by Jasonb 08-11-2004 1:22 PM
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Re: Wrong on two counts
actually the analogue you give is word for word out of a creationist fairytale about einstein as a boy (that's not to say elements of it are not true). This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-11-2004 12:31 PM
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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actually
I personally think that you're just saying "they" call you evil to back up your position, but then, please convince me otherwise. Wiz - we have evidence of that practice on this very forum - once poster said I was on a demonic crusade and would go straight down stairs for my troubles.
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CK
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Re: actually
are you on drugs? I've got to ask? where did I refer to you?
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 51 of 111 (132864)
08-11-2004 1:57 PM
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general reply
Guys - I'm a little disappointed that for all the talk of christian morals and the like - that your first reaction to a new poster is to accuse them of being a liar and not who they appear to be. Christian love and understand only words or something?
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Re: general reply
what a weasel answer - nice to see your true colours however!
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Re: general reply
I'm not actually an atheist.
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CK
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Message 74 of 111 (133258)
08-12-2004 1:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 73 by Jasonb 08-12-2004 1:49 PM
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Re: evil and acts
But did he create evil? I say no. God created man with free will and left a big dirty tree in the garden and allowed Satan to tempt him - sounds like a set-up to me. So did he create Satan with Free Will? Can Satan decide not to commit evil but do good? What if Satan decides not to follow the plan in the bible? that's free will right? This message has been edited by Charles Knight, 08-12-2004 12:54 PM
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CK
Member (Idle past 4158 days) Posts: 3221 Joined: 07-04-2004
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Message 76 of 111 (133262)
08-12-2004 2:00 PM
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Reply to: Message 75 by Jasonb 08-12-2004 1:58 PM
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Re: evil and acts
well it goes right to the heart of the matter - God creates Satan and knows that he will be evil - now if satan has no other choise, the case has to be that God with purpose creates evil.
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