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lfen
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Message 9 of 40 (139973)
09-04-2004 9:18 PM
Reply to: Message 7 by ThermodynamicLawBreaker
09-04-2004 9:10 PM


the total energy of the system plus the surroundings is constant. That's the First Law of Thermodynamics. The First Law is also stated as energy is conserved.
http://www.cchem.berkeley.edu/...sauer/outline/firstlaw.html
What is created?
lfen

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lfen
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Message 15 of 40 (139992)
09-04-2004 9:40 PM
Reply to: Message 12 by ThermodynamicLawBreaker
09-04-2004 9:30 PM


if you think ure so smart then what exsists before it is created
Seeing as how you're so smart, I'd like you to answer 3 questions for me.
1. What does the first law of thermodynamics state?
2. What does "created" mean?
3. How do you spell the contraction of "you are"?
lfen

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lfen
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Message 20 of 40 (140006)
09-04-2004 10:31 PM
Reply to: Message 19 by ThermodynamicLawBreaker
09-04-2004 10:21 PM


how does energy exist if it cannot be created.
Well, maybe it doesn't exist? Maybe we only think it exists?
That is scientists studying what is came up with a concept of energy and matter. This model of physical reality, along with things like the periodic table allowed them to predict the behaviour for an example germane to E=MC^2 of uranium and they made an atom bomb. The math was good.
How does anything exist? We don't know. We only suspect that it does and find it most functional to agree that it does, and that thus far we have some mathamatical models that work most of the time. It does appear that nothing in the universe exists independent of anything else, but rather the universe exists and is in constant transformation at different rates as a vast interdependent whole.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 22 of 40 (140026)
09-05-2004 12:25 AM
Reply to: Message 19 by ThermodynamicLawBreaker
09-04-2004 10:21 PM


You might prefer this explanation?
In describing the nature of reality, the Kashmir Shaiva explains that there is only One Being, called Lord Shiva. This Being is the nature and existence of all beings. This Being is defined as being filled with the infinite light (prakasa) of God Consciousness. The Shaiva also holds that the objective world, although experienced as separate from one's self, does not have a separate existence. It is the energy (Shakti) of Shiva. Although one might conclude that the world is separate from his energy, thinking that his energy is the separate formal cause of the objective world. It is not. The objective world, comprised of the collection of objects, cognition's, and limited subjects, is nothing more than the expansion of the divine Shakti. It is not separate from Shiva's energy. Lord Shiva is the energy holder (Shaktiman) and the objective universe is his energy, his Shakti.
http://www.kashmirshaivism.org/introduction.html

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lfen
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Message 34 of 40 (140344)
09-06-2004 1:10 PM
Reply to: Message 31 by jar
09-06-2004 11:45 AM


Re: Does the 1st Law even apply pre big bang?
Jar,
It's been too long and when I find time I want to go back and read more Hawkings. I believe he has since come up with another scenario that has some sort of indeterminancy as an initial state.
However the point I wish to make in this post is that the singularity is perfect and balanced, all this energy is stably balanced. For the universe to expand into what it is today only one thing is necessary--imperfection! This perfect symmetry must somehow become imbalanced and then voila! the show begins.
Hawking's theory is a brilliant tour de force as he encompassed so much physics but at this point it's a theory so I can't state that is how the universe began, but I do find that notion of the initial imperfection as the casual event elegant and mysterious.
From a deist standpoint the divine genesis is the introduction of asymmetry in the singularity.
lfen

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lfen
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Message 37 of 40 (140527)
09-06-2004 10:11 PM
Reply to: Message 36 by RAZD
09-06-2004 4:26 PM


Re: bump for Thermodynamic Law Breaker
I keep seeing this "bump for someone's alias". What does this mean? Is this a request for them to come back to a thread?
puzzled,
lfen

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lfen
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Message 40 of 40 (140538)
09-06-2004 10:43 PM
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09-06-2004 10:39 PM


Re: bump for Thermodynamic Law Breaker
Thank you both!
lfen

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