Faith

Professionally? Aside from the science I need to know to complete my tasks in my company, I am not a scientist at all.
So I am giving you a perspective from a person with half a brain that is not in the scientific community, and has to trust what all scientists say.
I did work in research labs for 11 years, but I wasn't doing the research, but I talked to a lot of the people there to try and learn as much as I can, because of my love for science.In my work, I use chemistry, and geometry. I even invented trigonometry on my own out of need. I never learned it in school.
After years of folding 2 dimmensional shapes into 3 demmensional shapes, I came to a strange realization for 3 demmensional space, and was able to see trig cleary in my head.To give you an idea of what I was learning, I watched research scientists develop "fake" blood, and use it in animals.
I watch them extract cells from a kidney and then separate them in a ceterfuge, then run them through a spectrograph, to analize if a new medicine was working. I fully understood what was going on, but I am not a scientist. Thats why I tell you I am not qualified to argue about evolution. I can ask question, and interject my opinion, but because I am Christian, it seems I am labeled. I wasn't Christian my whole life, only recently. I used to believe in evolution, and take it on faith, and even used it as an exuse to question God's exsistance, and the accuracy of the bible.I hope you appreciate my honesty. No no no and no. I do not reject science because of my religious views. I reject science because of science. I do not even actually reject it. I just take it for what its worth. Based on conversations with scientists. Based on the passion by which you argue with me about it. By seeing if an evidence fits into a scientific model first, then if it doesn't, disregard it, or come up with some silly explaination. When people use it to not believe in God. By scientists falsifying data. When science is wrong (which is most of the time) yet they teach it as being so right, and the end all to everything. Explain. I do not have faith that God exists. what are you talking about? I'm sure every scientists throughout the generations, for the last 2000 years felt the same way about whatever they believed in too. To bad it keeps changing, and God doesn't. There you go again with a bad analogy. Why should I trust that analogy? Go ahead, mutate into a whale. Take a week if you have to.

Don't laugh, but I need to them to tell me the truth, should I ask them if they are lying.I mean how else would I know?I don't think you are lying about anything, am I right?
I do detect a emptyness in your heart though, nothing to major, just a gap that needs to be filled. Your name is Happy Atheist, but you are sad about something, theres a hole there somewhere. I keep seeing blackness, does that make any sense? Thats the picture the Holy Spirit gave me.So now if you came back and said I'm fine, I could possibly detect if you were lying or not, but it would be pointless to argue about it. You don't have to respond to this if you don't want to. But if I'm right in what I feel, then it was from God, not me. I cannot detect these things on my own.

Faith is not an on/off switch. It can be attained in levels. Thats why you can say I have little faith, or a lot of faith. Confidence
is another way to describe faith. If you say you are confident, then you are saying that you FEEL that something would happen or not.Or confidence is a desciption of trust. It depends how you use the word.So using the first description, I would say confidence describes a strong faith, or belief in something. There doesn't have to be any proof that any such thing would actually happen or not.

Right, the fact that we fall is cleary obvious that gravity exists under certain conditions. Doesn't matter what the theory says. Why not? you seem to think if I jump off a bridge, that all of science is correct. I was trying to relate to you on your level of thinking. Of course it is. You just can't prove that. If we were in full control of evolution, it would be possible. The fact that you think its not, could mean that evolution doesn't actually exist.We could theortically mutate you into a whale, over time given the right natural selections. Why do you think you can't? Your the evolutionist. I do not know enough about it, to give a qualified answer. I also have not witnessed this for myself, so I would be taking other peoples words that it happens. Also whether this change in allele frequencies actually changes one species into another remains to be seen. Is that acceptable? Odds would say that its 1,000,000 to 1. Which is a theory. That doesn't mean that every 1,000,000 tickets sold there would be a winner. There might be 5, 10, 20 or none. How can the odds explain this, and what use would those odds really be. If I am destine to be the winner, then my personal odds are 1-1.

Well my faith in God, would come from the second choice, regardless of any silly little objective test.

No, he didn't silly, I was entertaining you. I never claimed that you actually were a lesbian. Besides you might be, you just don't know it yet.Whether you are a lesbian or not, had no revelance on what we were talking about. I was merely carrying on a conversation.

I did say, that it didn't require an answer. Anything from the Holy Spirit is for him, and him alone. Unfortunatly it is part of the conversation, and others got to read it. I would hope that others would take it as untrue, unless he so chooses to confirm it.Inability to do so? Its not my ability that gave me that thought to begin with.
Yes I am completely inable to do so. So now use that to not believe in God, ok?

Its ok, really. I am treading on dangerous ground here. I am sorry.
You don't have to answer.

Why you think there is a difference?Go read a dictionary.

Wow, it took a great mind to figure out that we fall, thats a good one. Amazing, tell me more Mrs.Wizard.
It took great minds to see that the planets actually do not revolve around the earth. That is unless there were other great minds before that had previously figured that out, but we have no record of it. Absolutly not. I stand by 100% and it makes perfect sense, and it gets proven over and over all the time.Its obvious that we will not agree on this. It would seem the odds are your guide in life, and you rely on them for many things, but they aren't for me.I would only ask that you keep what I said in mind, and observe if it is true or not, over the next 30 years. Fair enough? Thats funny, or is it?
What I'm saying is if evolution is true, then anything should eventually be able to become anything, given enough time, and circumstances. Isn't this true? So what mechanism would stop you from becoming a whale, if we knew how? What if we kept throwing you and your succeeding generations in the water, and kept them from learning speech, or anything else for that matter. What would stop them from becoming a whale, or some kind of sea creature? I mean the whales became whales. Maybe not from humans, but evolution can go in reverse (figure of speech).Or what if we kept throwing you off a cliff for the next 2 million years, you think you would grow feathers and fly? Whats that magical thing that makes feathers appear? The same pressure that would make a population evolve could also make an individual evolve, your saying he can't? What sense does that make? Yes, I will. I have learned a lot since coming to this forum. I have followed links and studyed when I have the time. Unfortunatly I will not become Mr.Scientist over night. I am a very busy individual with 5 kids and my own business. That is why I keep telling you I am not qualified to argue about evolution, but I can discuss some of the issues surrounding it. I do have a basic understanding of what evolution is. But I have many questions about it, that I need to answer.I have watched many debate videos about creation vs evolution, and from what I see there is enough missing evidence for me to not believe in evolution. However, there is hardly enough evidence for me to believe in creation. I only believe that God made us, I just don't know how. I am unsure if we evolved to our current state, or he flat out created us, and God filled in the gaps, or there is another mystery that we just haven't figured out yet.I don't think this is an unrealistic view based on our current knowledge. I have first hand observed asteroids, and tracked them. Also for purposes of our discussion, we must keep mathematical odds separate from biological odds, as they are very different.
I do not have to much trouble with mathematical odds, but they still do not explain if I would win or not. I know how you like to lump all these things together for the benifit of your argument. Right but how do they know whos going to choose which # ?
Thats why the odds are inaccurate in determining if I would actually win or not. To me the odds only explain how many combinations there are. They do not explain which combination will be drawn, or which combination I would pick. True or false? Because my level of thinking about odds, are a step above your, does not mean I have to back and learn about odds. That is an inaccurate description of lotto odds. The odds only explain the possible combinations that can be achieved, not how often someone could win. There is no way of figuring out the odds until all the numbers are picked, and all the lotto tickets are in.Nice horse by the way.

They are different, but have no revelance on what I am saying.
It also doesn't falsify anything, whether it is subjective or objective, only to scientists.Just because something is subjective, does not make it untrue.If 2 million people all feel the same thing when searching for God, is that still subjective? If you say yes, then results from taking medication are subjective too.

Me and a lot of other scientifically illeterate people, thats my problem with evolution, and the way they teach it in schools. I am not apposed to teaching it though. I can't because of my ignorance. I can't give a qualified answer to this one way or another. I have seen some scientist who do not accept it as fact. So that leads me to qestion.
I only wish that scientists would not use evolution to not believe in God. Whether its their religion or not is a separate issue. Well I used to read some of them when I worked in a hospital, and what I noticed was how many mistakes are made. I also noticed the good that comes from it. When the gravitational theory starts to replace religion, I will have the same problem with it.
I do not reject ToE because it contradicts a literal reading of the bible, I am niether an expert on the bible, or ToE. I have a lot of knowledge, but I do not have the complete picture as of yet. It is my goal to. I do not actually reject it, I just do not fully accept it yet. This was part in due to some of the debates I have seen on creation vs evolution. Thank you, you proved my point. Happy atheist mentioned it. That doesn't mean it wasn't found out.
I also saw a special on discovery, I forgot the details, but it was a fossil of a lizard like creature, that had a tail and wings. Scientists went nuts over this, until the eventually figured out that it was a fraud. I do not have to retract my statement, because it does happen. We only know about the ones we "bust". which I hope is all of them. The scientific method should weed all of them out eventually. Cancer cures have a long way to go.
Vaccine stuff just might wipe out the entire population. How you ask?
By creating super germs resistant to all medicine, and beat out our evolutionary defences. We won't know this until it happens.
Astronomy is a different subject, and even though they can predict meteor showers, their predictions are most of the time inaccurate on the level of intensity.Don't take me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't try all of the above things. Just pointing out how it is inaccurate, and most of the time wrong. We do the best we can with what we have. The intention is good.
I am completely thankful for it. Due to my own personal SUBJECTIVE tests God has shown himself to me, time and time again. I only have faith that he will keep his promises to me. You can call it what you want, doesn't matter. There were no astronomers 2000 years ago? You keep including them in our science discussions. Maybe, or maybe not. Time will tell you for you.

I am glad for you, really.
I still see blackness though, I don't know what it means.
I picture a highway interchange (I know I should have said this before)
Specifically I see the interchange in Newburgh NY where rt 84 intersects with rt 300 and 17k. I see your name on top, then followed by blackness. The blackness is on the left. I seen you getting off the highway and going to head north on rt 300, parallel to the blackness.
Wierd huh?
Do those numbers mean anything to you?
Thank you for being honest. I have never tried to prophetize over the internet, because I thought it was a bad idea. I am very new to prophetizing, and I do not get many visions. So I do not know exactly how to handle them. All my visions to date have come true, or had relevant meaning.

You can't talk about it, and see that it is the same thing?

No to yourself. I never claimed different. Please explain placebo then.