Prophecy for Buzsaw

Sidelined, it is clear you simply don't believe the account of Daniel and Neb as stated in the Bible. That's your call, but not what is stated or implied in the Biblical record. There's no point in arguing about it.

I ignore them since they are in direct conflict with both the Two Great commandments and the very nature of a loving GOD. I meant exactly what I said. It doesn't matter if they are true or not. For the most part I imagine they are exagerations and fables. Not at all. It is exactly what Jesus taught. He taught love, not hate. He taught acceptance, not rejection, he taught inclusion not exclusion.John, Paul and company were building a franchise. Like many of the OT writers before them they were teaching what was best for them, and not necessarily what Jesus taught.Jesus said, Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.It really is as simple as that.I know that you believe differently, and that's fine. But there are many Christians like me who believe in inclusion, who believe in love, who believe in acceptance.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

I apologize for being off-topic.I already said I am investigating the matter, when I am through I will immediately notify you.

buzsawWhat possible difference would belief have on my pointing out a plausible non-miraculous scenario that also explains the evidence presented in the passages? I could be wrong but I doubt it. Please explain to me how such is not implied by the passages.Again I ask if,as you say,Nebuchadnezzar said that he did not remember the dream when he actually did then is this not bearing false witness? Is this not a direct violation of a commandment of god?You must be upset that I choose to look at the situation with a rational mind rather than not question it or swallow the idea of a miracle actually occuring.If you wish to see it in that light I have no problem,however since we are viewed by many others on the sidelines in this forum I felt it was my right to express another point of view that others may decide for themselves in the best way possible,by really thinking about it. As you wish I will not continue to put you on the spot.Have a great day.

So by this you're really saying Jesus speaks with a forked tongue and you, Jar, will pick and choose what is fable and what is true. You are also saying that Jesus taught only one doctrine, i.e. love. All else he said is fable. So Jesus, born of a virgin and resurrected by God did, while on earth spoke gross exagerations and fables. This Son of God was, in fact an imposter whose words could not be trusted as reliable. So how then can you believe what he said about the doctrine of love? I don't know of any bonafide Christians who think like you, Jar. Jesus's words are false. The apostles are equally unreliable, etc. Like I said I see you as a troll against Christianity and the Bible here in this town and not as representative of Christianity or the Bible. No athiests or skeptics of Christianity argue more against Christ, Christianity and the Bible than you, imo.That's certainly your priviledge, but nobody's being fooled by your show.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-17-2004 10:46 PM

double postThis message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-17-2004 10:54 PM

The passages of scripture clearly denote miracle. You're the first person I've ever heard of to suggest otherwise.

I certainly hope I never fool anyone. But maybe, just maybe, I will help a few people come to know Jesus and the message he left for us.Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.It really is as simple as that.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

buzsawIt could be because I am not starting from an assumption of miracles being a real thing. It is not that so hard to imagine in the struggle of politics and under death threats that such a scenario could play itself out.Just imagine for the sake of arguement that you read the bible from the perspective of no god.no miracles, just humans playing human games in the struggle for existence and we might mention power in some cases. The scenarios can be readily explained in other ways that are not necessarily miraculous.

Sidelined, Sidelined, me friend, To attempt to interpret the Bible from a secularist viewpoint would be tantamount to the interpretation of Bach as jazz!This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-18-2004 09:19 PM

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The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz

You're painting Jesus with a skimpy little thin brush, choosing to ignore and/or reject 99% of what he taught. So I take it you are choosing to ignore the specifics of my questions and points which I've posted? Never worry, not being a fundy creo, nobody will likely call you on the carpet for that as they/you do me.

Miraculous thigs like healing the sick, helping out with the drinks at a feast, feeding the hungry, raising the dead and casting out the demons, providing salvation from sin and entrance to Heaven, dying for the sins of the people, providing prophetic warning for prepartation to evade disaster and judgement, etc are not loving things for Jesus to do??This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-18-2004 09:43 PM

Sure they are. But it also does not matter one bit whether they ever happened or not. Regardless of whether they are true or not, the message is the same, they were loving things to do.Love GOD and love others as you love yourself.It really is as simple as that.Thanks for reenforcing my position.

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

Just curious, what questions did I not answer? I'll be gald to answer them again. LOL

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Aslan is not a Tame Lion

buzsawLOL!! As you wish friend we will say no more.