Applying Science to Past Events

No I am not. I accept it at face value. Well isn't that part of the scientific method? I am a realist. That is correct. We could theorizse that it is, but we may never know for sure. If we do, then thats cool too. We could also be slightly off on our theories, and think one thing for a long time, then base all other theories and assumptions on that theory, because the evidence is so over welming. But then one day, we would find out something that would change it all, and then we would say "we were wrong, and it is really like this" which then could one day be changed again.Science is cool, and helpful, and I enjoy it very much. I am all for finding out as much as we can, but to me, its not what really counts in life.

Thats what I said in different words. I just choose to not believe in things so deeply, that are not fully understood.Its amazing to me how everyday I listen to the news, and according a new study done by science, that what we used to think has now changed. This happens daily.So believing in these things requires an element of faith. I do pocess some of this faith, but at least I am honest and admit it. I will look at stars through my telescope, take long timed exposures, then run the colors through a spectrograph, then determine what gases make up that star. Once I know the gases, I can figure out how big the star is, because in order for a star to be a star made up of those gases, it needs to be a certain size so that nuclear fusion can take place.IMO this is way harder to fully accept as being 100% true than studying the bible, then comparing it to real life, and seeing first hand how it all makes sense. This is my own scientific method of course, but anyone else can duplicate it themselves. But if the bible is taught to you in the wrong way, you might miss Gods word, or not even find it all, because you immediatly dismiss the whole bible because a few things do not match scientific findings, yet. I personally break the bible down into sections, with the things that Jesus taught us as being the most important. Then it trickles down from there.As far as medicine and the human body, I will be starting a new thread, so that we can discuss what all this science is doing to our own natural selection, and how we are changing the course of evolution. Do not take this as me being against it, I would just like to talk about it. Medicine has saved me many times. But the thing it has saved me from was possibly caused by man in the first place.

The thing is, once we figure out quantum mechanics, we will probably find out something even deeper than that.To me the amazing things about the life that was created for us, and the study of it(science) is how the further we look, the more we see, and the more we figure out, the more that needs figuring out.If we ever figure everything out, which would be many years from now, life would be whole lot different. we would then know all the limits of our universe, i.e. the speed of light theorized as the speed limit of the universe. Whats amazing to me, is that there are limits. Our demension we live in is a limit. All these are signs of God to me, and that we were created to live witihin these limits. Its like performing a test, but you cannot go beyond the limits. Kind of matches what the bible teaches us.I don't know if you ever do this. Sit and ponder about where everything came from, and why we are here. I mean deeply meditate about it. I get so deep in thought about it, I almost pass-out. I mean does it all mean? It's most likely these same thoughts that drives science. So thats why I appreciate it.What I can't figure out though is scientists who don't believe in God, or an afterlife. Why would you spend the little time you have here on this beatiful blue ball trying to figure it out, when you know you won't? Why wouldn't you just enjoy life? I mean there is nothing after this right? Why dedicate yourself to something that will continue after your gone? It won't matter, you will be gone. I find that fact that we can ask ourselves these questions is proof that we will live on. Otherwise what sense does it make?

This is where you are wrong. Really really wrong.
Faith comes in different levels. Some things require more faith than others. It all depends how much you know about it. Thousands of years ago, humans used to pray to the sun god, and have faith that he would rise in the morning. This took a lot of faith on the part of the human. Now things are different, we understand more about it, so we need less faith that it will rise tomorrow. But if the sundecides to do seomthing wierd like burp, or blow-up due to something we couldn't see coming, this can happen too. Its unlikely, but it can happen. So for us life would be over, and the sun would not rise anymore for each of us. So we believe by faith that this won't happen to us. We don't even give it a second thought. Some of us don't even care if it happens or not.But believing in God for everyone is different. I say for myself that I found God through studying the bible, and asking Jesus into my life. I believed he was there by faith for many years. But then one day I recieved a baptism of the Holy spirit. Now it is no longer by faith that I believe in him. It is by faith however that he will do the things he promises, if I hold up my end of the deal. This experience happened 8 months ago. Everyday he proves himself to me in a big way. If I do not hold up my end of the deal, he lets me know right away. It is something so beatiful, that I would wish it to everyone, even my enemies. Its almost like I do not even need the bible anymore, because I have a direct line to him. I do not know the complete bible, but now when I read things that I haven't read before, or forgot, they make perfect sense, because I already think that way.I know exactly what you would say next. Your going to compare what many a bad persons interpretation of what the bible was, and how destructive it was, or is. But that is irrelevant to your own presonal relationship with him. You can cleary see the difference between what is right and wrong. God gave us this gift of desernment. He wrote his laws on our hearts and minds, and it is the smart people of this forum that know the differences between right wrong, yet somehow they let what man has done with it to keep them from their God.So you see, I have many reasons for believing in God. They may be subjestive to you, but they aren't to me. They objectively prove themselves daily. They are subjective to others, because it relies on me telling the truth. This is why it is personal. Only you and God know what is on your heart. I could never know or judge it, or test it. I would just Love you because you are one of God's creations. Whatever way you choose to live your life is between you and God, and I would respect it. That won't stop me from sharing.

Yes I enjoy that too, so I agree with you. But if you are trying to prove something by doing it, thats a little different.As far as wishing for an afterlife, I do not feel that way. If God showed himself to you in a way that you knew for sure he was there, then it is not wasted. I enjoy my life in the Lord very much. It is very gratifying. I try to do everything for his glory, and the benifits are wonderful. If I was a scientist, I would do it for his glory too.I really don't ponder on the after life being better or not. I just worry about what I'm doing here and now. We will see what happens later. My after life in heaven is not what drives me here on earth really. I concentrate more on my direct relations with people here and now, and what good I can do for the world, by helping others, and sharing what God gave me. This is not a bad way to live whether you believe in God or not. I get enjoyment from being good, and now that I found God, its that much better.

LMAO, thats what I'm talking about. I love it, thats the chuckle of the day. I agree.Bare with me now, I am not a scientist, but was wondering your opinion on this. They have these "creation science" shows on TV. So I saw one that was interesting. It talked about a radioisotope in granite that should not be there if the earth took a long time to cool. So it was evidence of a rapid cooling of the earth, which kind of goes against the natural laws of physics.I think this page talks about it, I do not have time to read it this morning, got to go to work, but check it out anyway.
Error | The Institute for Creation ResearchI will read it later, and try to understand it. I want to know the other side of the story. If that doesn't descbie what I'm talking about, I will try to find it later.{As noted by AdminNosy in his response to this message, much of this message is very off-topic. Others should not here respond to the off-topic material - Adminnemooseus}This message has been edited by Adminnemooseus, 09-23-2004 10:33 AM

All this has made me realize something. All this time some people are saying they don't believe in an after life. Usually scientists. So what do they do? They spend their lives looking for answers, and trying to make a name for themselves, so that when they are gone, something will remain of them. Kind of like an afterlife. Why bother if you don't believe in an after life? What sense does it make to leave behind something if you can't even enjoy it?
Aren't you trying to create your own personal afterlife?

I hope you understand I do not discount evolution completely.
I do believe we were created, just how, remains a mystery.

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I checked, I swear This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-23-2004 05:29 PM

Ok, lets compare apples to apples please. Evidence in a case has nothing to do with the sun rising. Here is why: What about the evidences we can't see? Or don't know about yet? We have faith in the unseen then, if we truely believe the the sun will rise everyday without fail.I understand perfectly the difference between religious faith and faith in general. But the two feelings are so close, and I find it amazing how everyone in life has some kind of faith or another. Scientists will get all offended when you compare this faith to religious faith, but the the fact that we have any faith in anything at all says something.BTW, I am not saying that my belief in God is objective. It is to me, but not to anyone else. Most anyone can feel the same, I know many who do. In order to really complete the method in which you find him, takes a lot and if any of it is missing, it won't work. It's not a scientific method, but very close to it. I've been through all this before, I don't want to go over it here. I am just telling you that God is there for you, I know this with all my heart, whether you believe it or not.Is there any particular reason why you can't find God?

Oh yes they are. It was made very clear to me from the very first thread I participated in, that evolution is fact. That is the belief of some I suppose.As far as God is concerned, that is the driving force why I came in here to begin with. I am here to share with you that it is easy to find God. You just have to look for him, just like digging up a dinosaur. Sometimes the answer is so simple, yet so hard. If you do find him, your gonna be like " I can't believe it was right in front of me all this time". Then try to explain it to others, and get the same treatment I get now

Oh, so you've proved this?Tell me how, so I can do a peer review and see if your data holds up.

If you believe in God, then you also believe in the devil, and when man gives legal contract to the devil, by sinning, for him to do what he wants to you.How can you look at intelligent life, and think that it came from non-intelligent life? Or even better yet, from nothing at all, a random pool of mud. By a series of mutations, lol.

Is speciating a fact also?

Because were we are going we may still be able to look down on earth and see directly the fruits of our labors. How sweet would that be. Then meet the people later on again.This message has been edited by riVeRraT, 09-24-2004 08:04 AM