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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
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CF, if you would really get serious about these prophecies, stop and really think through, that if you were alive when they were prophesied, how impossible some of them would seem to you for fulfillment, you might have a different appreciation for them. For example, suppose you lived in the first century AD and someone came up and prophesied to you, whose pocket contained copper, gold or silver coins for sustenance, that some day those copper, gold and silver coins would be replaced with marks and numbers and that without the marks and numbers you would have no sustenance. Think about that as that likelihood is becoming reality as we speak, while I go and get some sleep.
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Which is irrelevant, because those things aren't predicted in the Bible. You seem to have a staggering inability to separate the concept from the implementation. LOL. Some medium for implementation was implied in the prophecy. The likelyhood of it ever happening until recent tech was in place, was so remote that nobody, even students of prophecy took it literally.
In a culture with other mediums of exchange besides metal? Why on Earth would that be the case? Oh yeah, like some used shells and so forth, but by and large, the more civilized cultures have gone with coins with gold and silver being the stabilizing metal for keeping the economy stable.
But the metal coins were merely stand-ins for livestock, oils, preserved meats and grains, and other barterable items. The only reason they were "precious" in the first place was because they were easily minted into trade tokens. No.1. They were more than that. They were precious commodity which could be melted into beautiful desirabe jewelry, statues, medals or whatever. 2. They were a relatively scarce commodity, scace enough for the need to search, laboriously mine and prepare for exchange medium. The relative scarcity of them afforded the stability of the economy of a culture, so as not to inflate that economy as would things like shells, copper, and yes, paper. 3. They were a desirable commodity relatively easy to securely hide, carry on the person and transfer for things of larger size, value and quantity. 4. They were durable and corrosion resistant.
So what you're telling me is, in a society that had developed an abstract trading economy, banking, money changing, and bookkeeping, it would have been impossible to imagine a system where finances were abstracted, banked, changed, and kept in books? Impossible, yes, on a global basis. Note in the prophecy of Revelation 13 that none from all nations would be able to buy or sell without a number or mark in the forhead or right hand. BTW, THAT 666 HAPPENS TO BE THE NUMBER OF THE BEAST DOES NOT NECESSARILY MEAN THAT 666 IS THE NUMBER ASCRIBED TO THE CITIZENRY AS SO MANY ARE BELIEVING. THE TEXT DOES NOT SAY THAT. The number 666 has to do with identification of the beast. I have an hypothesis in mind as to how this identity may be discerned. It would require some time to explain this which I may do if I find time.
How dumb do you think people were back then, Buz? You honestly believe that nobody could have seen the writing on the wall? That bookkeeping was an easier way to deal with large sums of money than coinage? Frankly, Froggy, me forum friend, it's far dumber to argue in futility that it could be implemented globally without sophisticated electronic technology for implementing it. 
How dumb do you think I am, to believe that nobody could imagine something that had been in front of them for 400 years? Mmmm, do you really want me to answer that'n, given possibility for fulfillment never happened for milleniums? 
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Buzsaw Inactive Member |
Yeah, tattoos on the hand or forehead of a specific number. That's not how it's going to be implemented, so the prophecy fails on that count alone. Say what? Nothing is said about tattoos on the hand or forehead in the prophecy.?? So how so does it fail on that account?
I wasn't talking about shells and beads, Buz. I was talking about things like merchant exchange notes, which were in use at the time. Numerical abstractions of currency exchange, like our own paper money. Ok, let's see a link or something as to what exactly you're talking about. It sounds to me like nothing more than a promisary note which people have used for a long time. The note was, I would assume, used along with coins, which would not be the case in the prophecy situation.
See, this is why you do so poorly in these prophecy threads. Instead of doing some basic research about the time period, you assume that everybody who lived before you was a stupendous idiot and therefore, any prediction that seems the least accurate must have been "supernatural." Poorly, Froggy? Like when?
Instead of embarassing yourself with your arrogant, patrician dismissal of the intelligence of your ancestors, why don't you do a little research? You might learn something. OK Smartoff, let's see the evidence of your research and exactly how this moneyless system worked. Were there no coins atol in the economy?
What do you mean, "no"? You're going to tell me that, in fact, you can eat gold? That you can make houses out of it? Never mind, of course, that the vast, vast majority of coinage familiar to the average person would not have been gold, but rather, other, less valuable metals like copper. Precious metals, like all money, are simply stand-ins for universal needs. That's the function of currency, Buz. It's an agreed-upon unit of barter exchange. Before metals, exchanges were measured in, say, oxes or sheep, even if these weren't the items being exchanged. No, of course you can't eat precious metals, but for a long time, they've been able to buy eats and make houses for the holders of such. Same with oxen and sheep.
Oh, certainly, with the limits of communication avaliable at the time. Ahah!! You are getting around now, to agree that modern tech HAD TO COME INTO PLAY FIRST Now isn't that what I've been contending all along? And the people of the time of the prophecy had no remote idea of the tech that has come into play for this prophecy to become a reality. Nice to see we're coming together on this crucial crux.
But impossible to imagine? How dumb do you think they were? Not dumb atol, but you'n me know that it took milleniums for mankind to come up with something for realistic fulfillment don't we?
But yet, that doesn't mean the Bible predicts electronics. Only that someone was able to extrapolate a trend that had been 400 years in the making. That's not supernatural, that's sense. Please stay with my point, that the Bible presented a prophecy that would require electronics for fulfillment.  This message has been edited by buzsaw, 09-27-2004 12:32 AM The immeasurable present is forever consuming the eternal future and extending the infinite past. buz
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