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riVeRraT
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Message 252 of 354 (144496)
09-24-2004 4:53 PM
Reply to: Message 245 by contracycle
09-24-2004 9:00 AM


Quote of the day:
the suns rotation around the earth
Awesome!
thats why I know christians lie.
Yes some of them do, as do some scientists, but not this one. If I am wrong it may not mean I am lying. Please don't resort to name calling, it's stupid.
My point is humans seem to need some kind of faith.
Whether religous or other.
Maybe once you find God, you will feel differently.
Peace.

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riVeRraT
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Message 253 of 354 (144499)
09-24-2004 4:55 PM
Reply to: Message 247 by nator
09-24-2004 9:37 AM


Re: Still a bit mixed up?
What species have we witnessed forst hand to change?
And how does evolution attempt to explain how intelligent life came from non-intelligent life. Please don't repeat the theory.

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riVeRraT
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From: NY USA
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Message 254 of 354 (144500)
09-24-2004 4:55 PM
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09-24-2004 9:37 AM


Re: Still a bit mixed up?
dam!
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riVeRraT
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Message 256 of 354 (144509)
09-24-2004 5:05 PM
Reply to: Message 251 by Loudmouth
09-24-2004 12:32 PM


the fact that religious revelation is different than scientific evidence.
I couldn't agree more.
Just curious, how is it that you looked for 20 years and found nothing?
What religion? Not that it matters a whole lot, because you don't need a religion to find him, but a religion could keep you from him.

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riVeRraT
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Message 259 of 354 (144514)
09-24-2004 5:11 PM
Reply to: Message 250 by crashfrog
09-24-2004 11:28 AM


You don't have to curse at me, we are just conversing.
My common sense goes a long way. This whole common sense thing got way out of hand, and I learned some things by the way everyone has reacted.
Even the story about the catwalks, just proves my point. No matter how much engineering, or science you put in to it, there is something you could miss. My common sense, gained from years of practical experience is sometimes more valuble that what you learn on paper.
If I had a nickel for every idiot that came out of refrigeration school, and thought he was a mechanic based on what was taught to him, I'd retire.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 263 of 354 (144552)
09-24-2004 9:07 PM
Reply to: Message 255 by Rei
09-24-2004 5:00 PM


Re: Still a bit mixed up?
amino acid to bacteria.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 264 of 354 (144554)
09-24-2004 9:14 PM
Reply to: Message 257 by Loudmouth
09-24-2004 5:05 PM


Re: Still a bit mixed up?
Yea, but when did we start thinking for ourselves, separate of using our brain for normal body functions, and a desire to eat?

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riVeRraT
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Message 265 of 354 (144555)
09-24-2004 9:20 PM
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09-24-2004 5:10 PM


Because faith is more than a word to me. It is a feeling. Faith is believing in something that is not proven. I have stated many times there are different levels of faith, or how you achieve that faith might be different, but its still the basic feeling of faith.
It seems to me that we all need to have some kind of faith in one thing or another. I haven't meet someone who does not have faith in something. Justifying faith with evidence doesn't say much, when in light of new evidence an outcome can change, then everything you had faith in would have to change also. People commit suicide over things like that, religious and non-religious. Think of how many people had faith that they would never loose there fortune in the stock market, then during a crash jump off a roof. They lost all their faith in themselves, amoung other problems.

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riVeRraT
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Message 266 of 354 (144556)
09-24-2004 9:28 PM
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09-24-2004 5:20 PM


I agree with you.
But that still doesn't stop engineering disasters from happening.

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riVeRraT
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Message 267 of 354 (144564)
09-24-2004 9:44 PM
Reply to: Message 262 by Percy
09-24-2004 5:48 PM


Now you're adding jerk refrigerator repairmen to the list? Are you sure it isn't just that you resent anyone who's had some sort of training?
Thats my field, and I am qualified to tell whos a jerk in it or not.
What I'm saying is sometimes (maybe even most of the time) all the training in the world, cannot make you smart, or give you common sense.
On the other hand, those who do pocess good common sense, and increase it with knowledge, can get smarter.
Wouldn't an IQ test be a better test of how smart a person is? Or his/her potential. I'll take one for the group, lol.
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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
Joined: 05-09-2004


Message 270 of 354 (144631)
09-25-2004 11:54 AM
Reply to: Message 268 by Rei
09-24-2004 9:50 PM


Re: Still a bit mixed up?
I cannot give a qualified answer to that.

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riVeRraT
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Posts: 5788
From: NY USA
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Message 271 of 354 (144633)
09-25-2004 11:58 AM
Reply to: Message 269 by Percy
09-25-2004 9:28 AM


It must be so hard for you to soar like an eagle when you have to work with all those turkeys. I think perhaps you've got an attitude problem and a chip on your shoulder.
Your going to have to believe me, when I say, I DO NOT put myself above others. I have never done that before I got saved, and I certainly wouldn't do it now. All I have is yours, or anyone who wants it from me.
I will take the test, next free chance.

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