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Author Topic:   Gnostic timeline reversed?
RustyShackelford 
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Message 61 of 82 (155718)
11-04-2004 2:41 AM
Reply to: Message 48 by Brad
10-23-2004 5:21 PM


Re: uh...
Well, since many Gnostic texts refer to paul as being gnostic
And many people claim Abe Lincoln was gay........doesn't mean it's true.
We know Paul adhered to the theology he wrote in the epistles......which is purely Christian.

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RustyShackelford 
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Message 62 of 82 (155720)
11-04-2004 2:54 AM
Reply to: Message 49 by Kapyong
10-23-2004 8:07 PM


Re: Paul the Gnostic
There is no hard evidence that the 12 apostles even existed.
I've seen no hard evidence that YOU exist, but it's kinda silly to make accusations like that without any reason, isn't there?
Paul was revered as "THE Apostle" by the Gnostics themselves -
See my Abe Lincoln analogy.
Paul describes a journey to the 3rd heaven where he personally learned divine secrets - the very definition of a gnostic.
Paul describes a layered universe - just like the Gnostics.
Paul describes multiple bodies - just like the Gnostics.
Paul contrasts evil matter with spirit - just like the Gnostics.
And all such concepts (except the first, which you're exaggerating) are also Christian.......this proves Gnosticism predates Christianity how?
Paul makes no clear mention of a historical Jesus or his ministry, nor do the epistles - merely spiritual references to a Risen Christ.
I flipped open my Bible to the epistles right quick, and I didn't have to go past the first chapter of the very first epistle to disprove this claim.......Romans 1:3 reads "...His Son Jesus Christ our Lord, who was born of the seed ot David according to the FLESH."
There is NO MENTION in ANY Christian writing of the bulk of Jesus' ministry until a century or so after the alleged events -
This is simply untrue, as two of the gospels was written by disciples who surely did not live until 100 ad..........

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RustyShackelford 
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Message 63 of 82 (155722)
11-04-2004 3:06 AM
Reply to: Message 55 by Kapyong
10-26-2004 8:53 PM


Re: P52 etc.
Pardon?
There are many large differences found amongst these documents. In fact - NO TWO Gospel manuscripts have exactly the same text (excepting tiny scraps).
And not one theological point held in the canon is challenged in any of these.........not ONE.

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RustyShackelford 
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Message 64 of 82 (155724)
11-04-2004 3:11 AM
Reply to: Message 60 by 1.61803
10-27-2004 5:29 PM


Re: Who wrote first????
I read that Mark wrote about Jesus as a prophet of God
Which actually reading Mark will teach you different........
and by the time John is written Jesus is fully deified as God incarnate.
Even though John is clearly not based on the other three gospels......so, that kinda destroys your theory.

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RustyShackelford 
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Message 66 of 82 (156477)
11-05-2004 11:09 PM
Reply to: Message 65 by 1.61803
11-04-2004 6:04 PM


Re: Who wrote first????
Mark wrote of Jesus as a mortal. No amount of redaction and theological calastintics will change that.
You guys really need to stop swallowing the BS your philosophy professors feeds you whole.......once again, I flipped open my Bible to Mark, and, once again, I didn't have to get outside of the first chapter to prove this claim incorrect.......in fact, I didn't even have to get out of the first VERSE.......
Mark 1:1. "The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."
But this is not my point, I was simply asking Bob which was written first. I always heard Mark was written before Matt and Luke. But since you piped in perhaps you could tell me if Mark was written in the 70's or not.
I've heard Mark dated as early as 54 ad.......and most people accept the fact that it was the first gospel written.

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