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Topic: Tsunami: Please Explain God's Wrathful Intent
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Buzsaw
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Message 101 of 153 (176404)
01-12-2005 11:10 PM
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Reply to: Message 95 by sidelined
01-12-2005 12:14 PM
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Re: Update
Hell buz you'll have to do better than this measly Tsunami scenario.The J.W's Did far better than this Back in 1914. From this website http://www.abhota.info/end5.htm JWs mess up big time on a lota stuff. In prophecy, they fail to factor in Israel's reoccupation by Jews as imperical significance in determining the signs of the times.
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Buzsaw
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Message 102 of 153 (176410)
01-12-2005 11:39 PM
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Reply to: Message 97 by Phat
01-12-2005 5:37 PM
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Re: Randy the Randomator
God would never cause earthquakes. Better read up, preacherman. Revelation 16:17-20, prophesying the 7th vial of God's wrath:
"And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done. And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.... and the cities of the nations fell And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found."
Revelation 16:17-20 There was an earthquake at the death of Jesus also, I believe. Was that coincidental? I believe there's a few other texts implicating God in earthquake, as well.
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 105 of 153 (176431)
01-13-2005 12:45 AM
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Reply to: Message 103 by sidelined
01-12-2005 11:47 PM
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Re: Update
So what do you suppose would be the next phase in the prophesy buz? You state "It is a wakeup call to the world as a whole that the end time events are beginning to come to pass." So tell us what is next buz. Not something vague but definite. All I see for the short haul is vague trends. I see a continued escalation of disasters world wide, here and there and everywhere with crazy weather phenomena on the increase bigtime, causing widespread drout, polution of water and air, global warming and yes, many more earthquakes and volcanoes, including some biggies. There is this big volcanic threat in the Yellowstone lake that could affect the US bigtime. On the long haul, to get more specific, some time in the not too distant future, Vatican City will be nuked, Chemical missiles will likely polute many of the streams and lakes, a "mountain" or maybe commet will likely slide/hit into the sea somewhere, wiping out a third of the ships in that particular ocean or sea. There's going to simultaneously be some significant political stuff going on to change the picture with alliances between Russia and Sunni Muslim nations in particular to manipulate oil and consolidate power. Some day they'll do in Vatican City and finally, Armageddon, when they meet their "Waterloo" trying to do in Israel and specifically Jerusalem. This all leading up to the BIG, BIG, BIG EVENT, 2ND ADVENT OF JESUS, LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS!! 
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Re: Not Satan Every Time. .
It is the work of Satan. However, God has permitted Satan to do these things. God looks down in sorrow to the suffereing. Satan will have his share of the punishment once prophecy is finished fulfilling. Hi Marcus. I was wondering if you were still aboard. Glad to see you are. Here's a text that you might find interesting and telling: Luke 12:5;
But I will forwarn you whom you shall fear; Fear him, which after he has killed has power to cast into hell; yes, I say to you, fear him. Clearly this is in reference to Jehovah God, not Satan, is it not? There are many prophesies of bad stuff to come in the 'latter days' that God, not Satan perpetrates, as I understand the reading of them.
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 127 of 153 (177330)
01-15-2005 7:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 125 by Abshalom
01-15-2005 12:49 PM
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Re: Warning: Do Not Preach Jesus to Tsunami Victims
Interestingly, in this regard, that the prophecy I cited in Isaiah 24 is sandwitched with the call for the east ocean islanders and coastal dwellers to give the god of the Bible, Jehovah, glory. It implies that some will indeed do that.
2) Did God intend by the tsunami that Christians actively proselytize in Indonesia against the stated will of Muslim clerics to prevent such proselytization? The NT calls upon all Christians to be ready to give testimony to the "hope that is within them" and to testify to the gosple of Jesus Christ, forewarning also that in doing so may bring persecution.
3) Are the Muslim clerics warnings against proselytizing in Indonesia a direct disregard of God's (whether He be Jehovah, HaShem, YVHV, Yah, El Shaddai, or Allah) intent regarding the tsunami? That these clerics are encouraged by the central government in this opposition to Christianity speaks of the lack of personal freedom in of speech in Islamland and all that our first amendment blessus us with. In so doing, these clerics are doing the bidding of their prophet Mohammed, regarding their Quranic god, Allah and forbidding that of the Biblical prophet/messiah, Jesus, son of the Biblical god Jehovah.
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 133 of 153 (177703)
01-16-2005 11:14 PM
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Reply to: Message 128 by crashfrog
01-15-2005 7:47 PM
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Re: Situation Reversed Senario
If the situation was reversed, and Muslim missionaries came to relieve tsunami-stricken L.A. and Seattle, how would you feel if they openly asserted their destiny and right to convert homeless, vulnerable Americans to the Islamic faith? Remember too that for the positions to be truly reversed one big Muslim nation would have invaded and would even now be occupying a harmless Christian nation at great cost to it's civilians.
How would you feel about that? Honestly? 1. If Muslims had enough compassion for "infidels" to sacrifice all the man hours, money, equipment and goods to help another country unable to help themselves that we have done and continue to do for them, I'd say their religion would be worth listening to. 2. Americans tolerate debate and freedom of religion, regardless of whether it is the majority religion of the nation. 3. Likely it wouldn't happen, even if it meant millions of deaths. As with 9/11, Indonesian Muslim clerics and their flocks would likely have rather danced in the streets than to come to our rescue. Look how meager the aid from oil rich Muslim nations was for their own brothers......and to think they'd care a snap about helping a contemptable infidel? This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-16-2005 23:15 AM
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 134 of 153 (177704)
01-16-2005 11:32 PM
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Reply to: Message 129 by doctrbill
01-15-2005 8:51 PM
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Re: Inspired by BuzSaw's response
That's how he's always done things. Read the Bible. He kills sinners. All have sinned. Rather he's been saving and converting sinners to saints for many centuries, patiently extending grace to sinful humanity, regardless of the rejection of the majority, holding off his wrath, but the time comes when sinners will destroy the world and themselves without his intervention, so he begins to clean house for something better to come. This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-16-2005 23:33 AM
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 135 of 153 (177707)
01-16-2005 11:42 PM
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Reply to: Message 131 by Phat
01-16-2005 6:58 AM
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Re: Preach Brother!
Do not preach to them, because they will receive Gods love from you based on your actions...Not your words.
IF you are right and Jesus IS the only way to God, they will receive Him through your love and actions. Jars religion of action applies here. It's very good to heal their wounds, feed and clothe the hungry and naked, et al, but the apostle Paul said, "How shall they hear without a preacher?" What's more important, their temporal bodies, or their eternal souls?
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 143 of 153 (178756)
01-19-2005 9:16 PM
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Reply to: Message 139 by crashfrog
01-17-2005 12:39 PM
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You've never heard of the international aid organization "Red Crescent"? You know, the Red Cross of the Muslim world? Have you ever heard of the oil for food scam, the relatively small percentage of funds given which actually reach the victims and sooo much other stuff that goes on with hands off giving?
Do we? Try to get elected to politics as an open atheist. Getting elected in free nations is about getting votes. Looser ideologies, thus are, thankfully, on the bench. Preach your message and maybe you'll conjur up the votes. You've got your work cut out, thankfully.
A near majority of Americans support reduced civil liberties for Muslim citizens. I remember on the news not too long ago a town was up in arms because their Muslim community wanted to erect a minaret and hold a call to prayers. Of course, the town's Christian churchbells ring every hour on the hour. If the Muslims muster up a majority vote, they can then elect officials that will either ban church bells too or allow loudspeakers in the neighborhoods to blair out a call to worship 5 times a day. That's the way democracy works.
You've given a number of reasons why you don't think the situation I proposed would happen, but that's not what I asked you to do. What I asked you was, if it happened that way, how would you feel? Honestly? If Muslims were not allowed to preach their religion in our nation, I would be alarmed, for that would mean we, like the Indonesians, would not enjoy freedom of speech. They, like the rest of us are subject to our laws in place via majority rule.
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Re: The press release
they should work in
collaboration with NU and Muhammadiyah, as well as
other Islamic institutions. 1. Considering the billions of dollar food for oil scam under the watch of the UN, we can't trust the UN. 2. Why should Christian organizations capable of ministering aid themselves be obligated to trust Muslim organizations to use the funds to propagate Islam? Muslim organizations certainly would not do so if the tables were turned. If Christians are arrested for freedom of speech while ministering to physical needs over there, they should pull out and let Islamics do the work and pay for it themselves, imo.
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 145 of 153 (178768)
01-19-2005 9:43 PM
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Reply to: Message 140 by Trixie
01-17-2005 3:51 PM
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Re: Preach Brother!
Can I ask how you expect them to hear said preacher when they're dead from starvation, dehydration and disease? You're obfuscating my position, madear. The primary purpose, of course for being there is to provide the immediate need for the destitute, even though the most importantant need is spiritual. But Christian organizations have a Biblical mandate to propagate the gospel along with humanitarian relief.
I don't think you mean your argument to sound like this, but it does. You seem to be suggesting that preaching is more important than feeding and clothing. From that, the tone of your messages implies that no food will be given to those that won't listen to the preacher, as you suggest that preaching comes first. As I said, you meet the immediate physical need as Jesus did, but Jesus said, "What shall it profit a man if he gain the whole world and lose his own soul, or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?" Mark 8:36
In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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Buzsaw
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Message 146 of 153 (178769)
01-19-2005 9:53 PM
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Reply to: Message 141 by jar
01-17-2005 5:30 PM
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Re: The Secular
Take care of their bodies, that's what GOD commanded you to do. It's a two sided coin. God and Jesus advocated caring for both the spiritual and the physical. That's what most missionaries do, and certainly what the relief workers are doing with the great emphasis on the physical.
Throw every damn missionary out of every country in the world, replace them with engineers, doctors, nurses and construction crews and then maybe Christianity may have a chance of expanding. 1. Tell it to the multitudes who've been blessed physically and enlightened by true Biblical Christianity. 2. Hitler and Stalin's nations had all those things, didn't they? But alas, they were deprived of the Biblical spiritual which Biblical missionaries could have brought to them.
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Buzsaw
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Message 148 of 153 (182426)
02-01-2005 7:40 PM
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Reply to: Message 136 by jar
01-16-2005 11:42 PM
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Re: Inspired by BuzSaw's response
So your GOD has two tools, convert a sinner, kill a sinner, yet he chooses kill. How sad. He, being God does both.
In Jehovah God's Universe; time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. The universe, by and through him, is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw
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