Tsunami: Please Explain God's Wrathful Intent

My position, as per your proposal, is that at the least......1. ......this is a wake-up call to the careless Eastern sea islanders and Eastern sea shore dwellers. I say careless because these folks are, as I understand them, peoples whose forefathers have sometime in the past, departed from revelation from the Biblical god, Jehovah, and have embraced other gods, ideologies and doctrines.2. This is a tap on the shoulder by the Biblical god, Jehovah, on the Eastern nations to get their attention. The Biblical god, Jehovah's messiah/son, Jesus is soon to return to earth to rule and reign the world in righteousness. It is a wake-up call for these people to rise up out of their spiritual lethargy. These people, particularly the Muslim, Hindu and Buddhist nations have shown significant hostility to Christians and Christian missions in their nations, and in recent years that hostility has escalated. By this terrible tradgedy, the tsunami earthquake, those who consistently come to the aid of the needy, the desolate, the starving, and the victims of disaster, i.e, the CHRISTIAN ideologues, via this disaster, are now eagerly welcomed to come to the rescue of these nations, who, because of their looser ideologies are unable to help themselves.3. Perhaps, I say perhaps, the Biblical god, Jehovah, the one and only true god, has allowed this to happen by his mercy so as to bring the messengers of the truth to these people who have been deprived of this by their political and spiritual leaders, in order that they may become enlightened to the way of the true savior/messiah, the way of the eternal salvation of their souls, and from the false doctrines and gods who they presently serve and worship.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Nonsense! Allah, god of Islam's followers comprised the great majority of the dead, injured and homeless, because of this terrible disaster. Where in the Quran does Mohammed prophesy specific prophecies pertaining to such latter day events, such things as are prophesied in Isaiah 24 and Luke 21:25-28, that the Biblical God Jehovah has prophesied via Jesus and his prophets?This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-10-2005 19:43 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

No, I will say that it's likely a wake-up call to the good ole US of A whose citizens have tolerated the murder of millions of innocent babes, allowed homosexuality to come out of the closet, disregarded the god Jehovah's laws concerning marriage, adultery, porography, and allowed secularistic atheistic doctrine of origins to exclusively rule the day in public schools, et al. In fact, the Fla storm disasters, 9/11, et al are significant in this regard, imo.This message has been edited by AdminPhat, 01-11-2005 09:21 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Hi Charles. It's been awhile since we've talked. Thanks for the response, so we can talk again. People like you are an asset to the forum, keeping things moving and creos honest. If you will reread my post carefully, you'll see the word, "tolerated." When the accepted morality of a culture defies God's precepts, the culture is in danger of intervention from God. Why? Because God is mean spirited and eager to punish? No. It's because God KNOWS what's GOOD for a culture and what will either edify a culture or harm a culture in the long haul. God knows that the ways of sin are the ways of sorrow, poverty, disease, and death. So in his mercy to the children of the depraved, he roots out the deadly CANCER, ravaging the society in order to save it. This is the very reason the global flood became necessary, destroying every man, woman and child on the planet, save Noah and his family, i.e. 8 souls.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Can you document that millions of devout bonafide Biblical Christians have ever been wiped out via catastrophic acts of God? Jar, my cyber friend, do you even know the definition of the word, blasphemy? Look it up. Then if you still think it applies to any of the above, I challenge you to another great debate as to whether it applies to any of the above. The only exception is Gene Scott, simply because I've never heard of the man, and don't know whether he's publically blasphemed God or not.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Thanks Charles. Indeedy I did. Hopefully you and yours did too. This :-).... what's it, a concocted up frown or a mistake?

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

1. Ok, then, how about a GD as to whether any of these publically blasphemed the HS, as per the definition of the word blasphemy?2. Falwell and Robertson, imo, should not be classed with Bakker and Swaggart, given the scandals of Swaggart and the crimes of Bakker.I know you're leading this thread off topic, by your false accusations of these people, but I will not let your meanspirited falisies go unchallenged, nevertheless.This message has been edited by buzsaw, 01-10-2005 20:57 AM

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Mainstream media, on occasion has referred to disasters as "acts of God." Well then, can you document that any disasters have wiped out "millions" of bonafide Biblical Christians, as you have implied?

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Don't add words to my post. I used terms like, wake up call and tap on the shoulder, similar to what I view 9/ll and some other things as in America. No, if you read everything in context, Jesus spoke of the wrath of God which would come on earth. He came in order that those who receive him may escape the wrath to come and those who are caught up in national disasters prior to the final wrath judgements may be resurrected to Heaven. Imo, the 7 vials of God's wrath of Revelation 16 occur after the true Christians are caught up (raptured) into Heaven. Jesus here, clearly refers to his first advent, i.e., the age of grace and salvation. His 2nd advent and the wrath bowls of God, clearly are not implicated here in this text.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

1. .......and it hasn't happened, has it? When, and it it ever hits, likely "millions" of bonafide Christians will not be killed.2. Isaiah 24, the specific earthquake prophecy I alluded to specifically calles upon the Eastern sea coastal dwellers to give God the glory. Nothing specific is noted in earthquake prophecy concerning the West. That is not to say it won't happen. You people keep calling for specifics, so by the same token, you too, need to be specific as to prophecy. To fully answer that would be off topic. Check out the short little book of I John, chapter 5, verses 11-13, near the book of Revelation and the Gospel of John, chapter 3 verse 3 in the Bible, for your answer.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

I see what looks like anyone would expect an arial photo of the huge waves to appear. Likely if photos of other areas were shown, simililar wave formations would appear. Remember poster Wise? I didn't buy his image claims either and his stuff was better than this.Btw, I take it, none of the quotes in your post were Quran quotes. Is that correct? You didn't make that clear.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

1. Please understand, as I've already reminded folks, things like this are not the major end time events, but relatively minor events leading up to far worse stuff, escalating disasterous events worldwide. As I said, this is likely a wakeup call for the eastern sea nations who for the most part, forbid Christ, Christianity and the Bible. It is a wakeup call to the world as a whole that the end time events are beginning to come to pass.2. Nothing in the Bible says Christians should fail to relieve any of the suffering and victims of disaster. Jesus specifically stated that we should do good even to out enemies. "Vengeance is mine, says the Lord." Romans 12:19, Paul quoting Deuteronomy of the OT.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Christian missionaries are forbidden the preaching of the Bible and evangelizing of native citizens in Indonesia, Sri Lanka, India and possibly in Tailand. In Indonesia, if anyone wants to operate a Christian school, they are required to have Islam taught to Islamic students in their schools. My understanding is that this is a recently enacted law by the recently installed regime in the nation. In these nations, Voice Of The Martyrs and other organizations provide relief for persecuted people in these nations. Hundreds of Christian churches and homes have been destroyed by Islamic militants in Indonesia in recent years and it is ongoing.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Hi LB. I like your posting style and respect your intelligent input in the forum. It would be cool if we heard more from you. Do you believe devine wrath latter day judgements are at some point in order for the planet?

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw

Granted, "forbidden" may not be the right word, but the government clearly discourages Christian evangelization by Christian citizens and foreign missionaries are forbidden. For a Christian school to be required to exclusively teach Islam to Islamic students would undermine the purpose of the school and require the school to teach doctrines which they believe to be false. Your school was not required by your government to teach Islam in your school. Big difference. As a moderator, I think you need to remember that there's a point when you need to get back on topic when related topics factor in.

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In Jehovah God's Universe, time, energy and boundless space had no beginning and will have no ending. It is, has always been and forever will be intelligently designed, changed and managed by his providence. buzsaw