Right wing conservatives are evil? Well, I have evidence that they are.

How about this. If I promise to you that I will become a devout christian IFF you sleep with me, would you do it knowing you've just saved a soul?

Sorry, Schraf, if I offended you.Unlike most gay guys I know, who can sometimes be ok with girls, I absolutely find them completely unappealing in a disgusting kind of way. You could call it a phobia. Even the smell of a girl makes me sick, literally. For example, just last week I had to leave my friend's room because there was a girl in there that smelled like a vagina. The straight guys in the room claimed that they liked the smell. I tried to endure it for about 10 and had to get up and leave.Girls have better personalities than guys, though This is why more of my friends are girls than guys.

A long time ago when I was in philosophy of ethics, I took it upon myself to argue for the other side of the debate. I came across a little piece of not-so-well known information that stumped everyone on my opponents' side.This graph was put together by me. I took the data from that site on the picture. Basically, I supperimposed the two data together (one was for the homicide rate and the other one was for the number of execution). As you can see, there was a period in the 70's that all death penalties were halted by the supreme court. Coincidently, the rate of homicide sky rocketed at the same time.Anyway, I think the graph itself is pretty self explanatory. The two data seem to be a mirror image of each other.According to this little piece of info, it does indeed look like the death penalty does benefit society in the long run.I think I did pretty well playing the devil's advocate. edited graph to fix page width - The QueenThis message has been edited by AdminAsgara, 04-07-2005 04:04 PMThis message has been edited by AdminPhat, 04-10-2005 03:47 AM

Um, look it up yourself. I already gave you the government website for vital statistics.

Well, I'll compile those data later just for you. I am a college student, you know. These data analysis don't grow on trees. It would be really nice if you compile these data yourself

Sorry if I sounded provocative. I've been through 3 days with about 6 hours of sleep. Gettinng a little cranky. Not to mention that I have a wedding to go to this weekend...Anyway, the data I presented was pretty self explanatory. However, it only included rates of homocide. I will look up other violent and non-violent crimes later. In the mean time, you could fish around for more data if you want.

Well, at least you aren't making me writing everything upside down.

Trust me, there are holes you can poke right through. Even though I was playing the devil's advocate when I put together the data and graph, I made damn sure that I was able to make counter arguments against it. If it was indeed perfect, I would have become a pro-CP a long time ago.Anyway, I'm gonna stick my nose up high now and wait for someone to make an argument against my graph. Hehe

Hate world. Revenge soon.

I agree completely. Even though at the time I only focused on refuting the data I presented, later on my ethics professor pointed out the exact same thing you just did.Besides, a parent holding a glass of wine with a cigarret saying to a little 9 year old, "do as I say, not as I do" doesn't really work. Haha. How do you think so many witch hunts started in the past?Going back to the evility of the conservatives, this is another aspect of conservatism that I absolutely do not like. While we embrace objective approach to these problems, all they want to do is embrace the ignorance that's already rampant in the unwashed masses. All they have to say is "somebody's gotta pay" and they are willing to go after anyone at all.This message has been edited by Troy, 04-08-2005 08:59 PM

Actually, it cost about 10 times as much to execute them. Like I said, I did a lot of research into this when I was in the ethics class.Here is why it cost so damn much to zap them.Our legal system was set up to try to prevent an innocent person from being executed as much as possible. When a person is condemned to death in court, the law says that the the sentence has to go through automatic appeal process. I forget how many appeals a condemned person goes through, but I know that he goes through enough of them that the expenses for the legal process is a lot more than life imprison.I don't have the figures with me right now, although once upon a time I had a nice chart for them.ABEI was digging through some old files. Found some interesting facts.You are more likely to be executed if you are a white person. However, half the people that are executed are black. Currently, there are 35 states with CP.This message has been edited by Troy, 04-11-2005 09:49 AM

Well, it's been while since I took the class. Memory ain't what it used to be.

For a philosopher, you sure seem to not be able to understand what people write correctly. Look at my posts again. My response about the money thing was to correct Phatboy's misunderstanding of the money issue. It had nothing to do with the overall argument.You know, I've noticed that you've been somewhat cranky toward me and some other people lately. What's up?

I did a presentation on CP and the money issue was one of the facts that were brought up. It was like the stats on how you are more likely to get the death penalty when you're white. It was an interesting fact but it had little bearing on the debate (at least in the moral sense).

From what I remember (and I used to have all the stats but now they are all buried in my old files somewhere), before the 70's you were more likely to get the death penalty rather than life if you were non-white. After the 70's, things turned around and you were more likely to get the death penalty if you were white. Perhaps, this was just a coincidence. Perhaps not. People don't really know why.