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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I'll cite and quote this (timed stamped message) to Terry, after he makes the predicted statement.
Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I'm bringing this in from the "A funny mistake by ICR and example of poor scholarship" topic:
quote: Your "Bob" seems to be a less coherent version of my "Terry". Of course, your "Helium" topic is more technically complicated than my "Grand Canyon" topic. Still, whatever Terry's shortcomings are, he does seem to be able to write clear, if misguided statements. By the way, the remarkable event of Terry conceding to the oppositions view seems to have happened at the "More than Blood" topic at the Talk Origins board (messages 8&9). Also, I have a little topic organization debate going with Terry. EdenNod had started a "Shroud of Turan" (sp?) topic a while back. It was still available on page 1 of the Talk Origins board list of most recent active topics. Anyhow, Terry came up with some "new" shroud information, and started a new topic for it. He is insistent that breaking it into two topics is a good thing! Moose ------------------BS degree, geology, '83; Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U; Old Earth evolution - Yes; Godly creation - Maybe My big page of Creation/Evolution Links
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Quoting myself:
quote: I decided to look at some comparative statistics, Talk Origins board vs. , for the 100 most recent active topics lists. Talk Origins:16 of 100 topics went 20 messages or greater. 4 of 100 topics went 50 messages or greater. The greatest number of topic messages was 94, followed by the 83 of my "Grand Canyon" battle with Terry. :50 of 100 topics went 20 messages or greater, including all of the most recent 5. 16 of 100 topics went 100 messages or greater. 4 of 100 topics went 200 messages or greater. 2 of 100 topics went 300 messages or greater. 1 of 100 topics went 400 messages or greater (can you guess which one?) Number 100 on the Talk Origins list was last posted to on 7/15/02; Number 100 here at was last posted to on 10/5/02. This illustrates what I see as one of the problems at the Talk Origins board - way too many micro-topics. Also, it shows how stifled the debate is there. I suspect that most of the "most messages" topics at the Talk Origins board, are when Terry and Salty clash on something. Moose [This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 10-21-2002]
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Amazingly enough, the "Grand Canyon" discussion at the Talk Origins board seems to be coming to a friendly conclussion.
See the "part 2" portion of the discussion here. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Something new from Terry, in message 64.
quote: I added the bolds. Apparently Terry is making "Fact of Evolution"="Microevolution", and the "Theory of Evolution"="Macroevolution". While I do think the following reasoning is flawed, I would be inclined to have the "macroevolution" record of the fossil record being the single strongest evidence of the "fact of evolution". Or something like that. Moose A technical note, added by edit: While I was preparing the above message, I accidently closed the window. Instead, however, of having to start over, I was able to recover the page from my temporary internet files folder. This method may be useful to others, when a (long?) message they are preparing, is somehow lost before it was posted. [This message has been edited by minnemooseus, 12-21-2002]
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
SLPx has become active there, which, of course, is causing all kinds of of turmoil.
I kind of find myself being in the clumsy position of defending Scott's behavior. Apparently the only thing keeping Scott from getting banned there, is the wishes of Salty. Salty wishes that Scott remains, as being a representative of Darwinistic thought (or something like that). Essentially we may have the situation, of a clash between a cranky anti-Darwinist evolutionist (Salty), and a cranky pro-Darwinist evolutionist (Scott). A side comment, comparing the moderations methodology at Terry's Talk Origins, to that of EvCforum.net. Terry seems to feel a need to protect creationists from the harsh realities of the evolutionists point of view. Here at the EvCforum, such protection is less, or not at all. So the creationist side (fairly or otherwise) gets exposed to a greater dose of scientific reality (and I must again say, "or something like that"). Moose ------------------Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. My big page of Creation/Evolution Links
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
There has been another recent banning (and unbanning) of one of the evolution side, at Terry's Talk Origins. While Terry may indeed sometimes have justification, I see this most recent one as being unjustified (the Joe Meert type situation).
I wanted to bump this topic, but I don't have time to get the specifics up right now. Will get such up later. Cheers,Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
See messages 22, 24, and 25 here
Also see the entire topic for the entire context. I believe that Gerald McGrew only posted in that one topic. I don't recall where I saw the info, but I believe Gerald was later unbanned. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
I happened to bother to check in, and found that the topic had (IMO) turned interesting.
See Kurt's input, starting at about message 47 of the current 59.
Here's where to find the topic. This will probably not get you to the precise page - It doesn't seem possible to do such a link at that board. Moose ------------------Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. My big page of Creation/Evolution Links |
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
OK, I've just posted message 9 at the Evidence for rapid geological formations topic, at Terry's Talk Origins.
In consisted of:
quote: Let's see if this gets me banned. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
From this topic.
The Great Society (message 60):
quote: Terry replys (message 61);
quote: And then Salty says (message 62):
quote: Those are the three messages in their entirety. Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
"Morton's Demon" has come up in another topic. I believe I also touched upon it upstring (but I haven't checked).
Anyhow, I made "Morton's Demon" a topic at Terry's Talk Origins. Terry took great offense. The end of that topic is here. Navigate back, to see the earlier pages. (That site is structured clumsy - It always gives you a full last page - All the page structures changes as messages are added - You can't seem to be able to link to a full page 1 and then work your way down string.) Moose
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
What might be an interesting topic to observe.
Here at Terry's Talk Origins. I believe this link will take you to the most recent page of the topic. Currently there is only one page. A strong rebutal (message 2) came from someone who does not seem to be on the evolution side. I also like his comments on communism, Reagan, and G.W. Bush in message 4 (which was a response to a Salty interjection at message 3) Moose Professor, geology, Whatsamatta U Evolution - Changes in the environment, caused by the interactions of the components of the environment. "Do not meddle in the affairs of cats, for they are subtle and will piss on your computer." - Bruce Graham |
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
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Minnemooseus Member Posts: 3945 From: Duluth, Minnesota, U.S. (West end of Lake Superior) Joined: Member Rating: 10.0 |
Not a "Terry's Talk Origins" related message, but something concerning the spin-off forum "Fringe Science".
At the Age of the Earth topic (which has drift all over the place) I am attempting to discuss very basic geology with someone going by the name of SaltbeGood. SbG seems to be locked into near total ignorance of geology, but that isn't stopping him/her. Anyhow, SbG's posting style is starting to remind me of someone who once posted here at . SbG also seems to be fairly good with HTML. Any guesses on what other name SbG might have gone under? Moose
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