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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
This topic has given me great amusement
That aside, I have noticed that tempers have flared quite dramaticaly on both sides of the issue. I feel that JimSDA may feel a little "ganged up " on. Perhapse it will be better for a one on one debate, between JimSDA, and one of us. That way we can each lay out our case, examine the evidence (or lack thereof) and no questions will be avoided. I, or anyone else here who would rather do it, would be all up for discussing this One on One. Jar, would you like to? Anyway, JimSDA if your up to teh challenge please reply! Best regards!
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
You know, jar is not an atheist. Nor is wmscott.
Unfortunately Wyatt's 'work' simply does not hold up under critical scruttiny and it is plainly obvious to anyone reading this thread.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
The more I study, the more I know Ron's discoveries are authentic. You are simply deceived by traditional/popular false science (a tool devised by non-other than the arch deceiver himself). ... I'm not a scientist. I don't proport to be. I like science well enugh, I have an interest in it, but science has nothing to do with the discussion at hand. All science, ideology, emotion aside, none of the 'evidence' presented is good enugh to draw the conclusions wyatt has. Imagine this in a court of law. How can wyatt prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that that blurry picture (who's origins are shroudded in the deepest mystery) is the ark of the covenant? I mean seriously, do you know the big deal that would erupt over such a find! Archeologists and historians have gotten much more excited about much less. Maybe wyatt did find the Ark, heck I'll give it to you, everything he said was true. Now what? There is nothing you can do, cuz all the evidence is gone, lost, missing. All we have is hearsay and stories. So what good is it. Imagine I told you I discoverd the cure for Aids but then lost the recipie in a wind storm. So what? Were still at square one as far as anyone else is concerned. I mean what do you hope to gain out of all of this? Wyatt lost the homework, he aint getting credit untill he turns it in. Simple as that.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Oh, one more thing:
Actually Yaro, in my estimation anyone who does not accept the scriptures as the fully inspired word of God is an atheist in my eyes. It spells criticism against any data supporting the events described in the biblical account. Why do you and JimSDA seem to equate Ron Wyatt with the bible? I mean, he most certainly WAS a man. Yet you are treating his "research" as if it were holly or inerrant. I mean seriously, who gives a crap weather his research was real or a hoax, is it gonna hurt your faith? I almost have a feeling that it will. It seems you guys have latched on to this Wyatt malarky to justify your beliefs. Do you two NEED Wyatt's discoveries in order to keep beliving in christianity?
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Ok, this is the photo of the aleged ark.
This is supposed to be a helpfull labled diagram. It still looks like blurry crap to me.
Because Im board I added some helpfull outlines:
Some notes: What is all that extra crap we see on the sides of the ark (in red)? Notice the proportions of the "angels" to the mercy seat. The seat is rather small don't you think? Finaly, how do you know this thing is the ark and not a blurry hunk of pecan pie?
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
You poor soul. I feel so sorry for you that you are deluded into thinking Ron's discoveries are a fraud. How little you know and how you will regret your opinion in the end. You will see that we were right in the end. Don't worry, I guarantee it. Does denying Ron Wyatts findings constitute sin? I mean, is it an offense damnable to hell? The way you say it, it sure seems you think it is. PecosGeorge is a born again Christian, so by standard doctrain he is saved and going to heaven. Does your doctrine suggest that if you don't belive Ron's stuff, your damned?
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Jim, Lys... Is Wyatt a prophet in your eyes?
You seem to take our critisim rather seriously. Do you think denying the verasity of Rons finds constitutes mortal sin? Seriously, I'm curious.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
While it didn't go anywhere, It was sooo much fun!
Anyoen wanna post some highlights? This message has been edited by Yaro, 05-09-2005 07:13 PM
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
I have changed my avatar in honer of this wacky thread! May the joy come again and again!
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
What I can't understand is how in the world do they use getting on TV justification?
I mean seriously, you can't belive anything you watch! Also, saying that wyatt got on PBS or CNN dosn't tell you any of the context. For all we know thet could have just taken a sound bite or mentiond wyatt in passing. I mean seriously. They put that 'psychic' guy on TV, does that mean he can realy talk to the dead?
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
Lysimachus,
I know I joke alot, and poke fun. But I would like to make something clear: While I don't belive a word of Wyatts, nor the validity of his work, I don't doubt that he was a kind a well meaning person. I know that you and JimSDA were personal friends of the man and because of that are inclined to defend him all the more. My personal assesment of Wyatt was that he was a kind, well meaning man, out for glory fame an wealth (It dosn't make you a bad person to want those things!). He wanted so badly to find the things he was searching for that he ended up deluding himself. I don't think he was deliberatly trying to decive anybody, I think he really convinced himself of his outlandish stories. A long time ago when we ran thrugh this debate, I remember comming across an article where an individual whent on an expidition with wyatt and concluded much the same thing I did. Wyatt was self deluded, caught up in his own dream. Here is the link: http://www.ldolphin.org/wyatt1.html And a relevant quote block:
Our team proceeded to the Garden Tomb, whose custodians were expecting our arrival. Wyatt had negotiated cordially and successfully with them. With an assortment of gardening tools we set to work, moving a large pile of rubble and rock which had accumulated where Wyatt had probed earlier. Over several days we were able to excavate our way down into the same cave system that Wyatt had explored two years before. I'm sorry to report that in the end we came up empty-handed. The connecting channel through which Wyatt had claimed to see the furniture was not there. On the final day of excavation, when we could not see the internal cavern landmarks that Wyatt had predicted, Ron himself finally climbed down into the dim space. After a long time he emerged, looking confused. As we waited respectfully to hear his report, he mumbled a few words like: "It's not the same; it's changed. It's not the way I remember it." There was no opening to be seen, giving a view into an adjacent cavern. There was nothing. In the process of our digging we had come up with a few interesting little objects from Roman times, but they were irrelevant to our main goal.
Our team was disappointed, puzzled, disillusioned. We had enjoyed ten days of close fellowship, with daily shared prayer times, and an excited anticipation of momentous events just before us. Now all those hopes came crashing down. And sadly, Wyatt was not man enough to come clean, to apologize for bringing us on a wild goose chase, or to attempt any kind of explanation. We kept expecting some sort of statement, but he just remained silent, withdrawn. And we were too stunned, and perhaps too sorry for him in his confusion, to demand that he explain. To this day I cannot give a rational account for the extreme misguidedness that Wyatt revealed. What was happening in his head? His participation in our group worship times had left all of us in no doubt about his sincerity and his devotion to Scripture. He was a competent Bible scholar. He was a brother. Yet he had misled us terribly, and had offered no words of regret or apology or explanation. I have reviewed the whole story many times since then, and am convinced that the church administrator was right: Wyatt might be mistaken, but he himself believed that what he had originally shared was true. From medical school I remember hearing of a rare state of mind, with a long Latin name, that led its victims to concoct marvelously detailed accounts of events that were pure fabrications, yet which the story-teller himself had come to believe were absolutely true. I am inclined to believe that Wyatt was a florid example of this disorder. He was not a deliberate liar, a fraud. And some of his observations had merit. But I am convinced that some of his "discoveries" were matters which underwent transcription in his mind, and he came to believe as true certain ideas and observations that in fact were his own inventions.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
There were about 10 other helpers along on that dig, and most of them were not Christians -- they were just nice guys helping Ron on his adventure -- If any of those people had gotten into the cave with the Ark, there is a good chance that God would have STRUCK THEM DEAD! So to make sure this did not happen, God arranged it so that the group did not manage to find a second entrance into the cave! Believe it or not, God does not like killing people -- but as you have read elsewhere on this thread, 16 people have died over the years when they attempted to interfer with this dig! Are you saying god would not be able to controll himself had the non christians entered th cave? Why would god have to strike them dead? If god dosn't want to kill them he dosn't have to. After all, he is GOD! From the sounds of it, if god has indeed killed 16 so far, he sure does like killing! I mean, a god, with infinit options open to him, has no choice but to kill? Couldn't he just warp them somewhere else? Couldn't he perform some other action in his omnipotence? Are you seriously suggesting that GOD has NO choice in the matter?
so who knows how many of the 10 people on Ron's team might have DIED if Ron had managed to get into the cave on this dig? So you are saying that Wyatt led these people knowingly into a potentialy life threatening sittuation? I mean, he already knew about the 16 others who were "struck down", surely he knew that this area he was excavating could be a "smiting zone". Essentially what you are saying is that Wyatt knowingly led these people into a situation where they may encure the wrath of god.
So God SAVED THEIR LIVES by not letting them into the cave, and Bernard Bradstater should be THANKING God that they were prevented from getting into the cave on that trip! That's sooooo convenient. First off, the logic is flawed unless you are saying that god cannpt find an alternative to killing the people, secondly invoking an invisible man to explain your archeological faliur is akin to invoking magic.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
JimSDA,
Why hasn't the isrealy govt. Torn the countryside apart looking for Wyatts site? Certainly an artifact of that callibur would attract more attention beyond obscure internet message boards and mail-order videos.
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Yaro Member (Idle past 6524 days) Posts: 1797 Joined: |
the president of the USSR (don't kid yourself, atheism IS a religion!) What's the USSR? Your a bit behind the times. Oh, and many of the USSRs major leaders were christians including stalin. Not that it matters as it is beside the point.
a Jewish rabbi who hates Jesus What's the deal with Jews? Do you really think they hate Jesus? They don't even belive in him! How can you hate something you don't belive in? Do you hate santa caluse? Also, the AoTC is as much a jewish artifact as an arab artifact. Remember, they have the same religious history. Furthermore, are you seriously suggestion because the ark has the "alleged" blood of Jesus on it that it serves as a ward against the jews?
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